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Old 03-11-2021, 11:30 AM
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Hi,


has anyone Noticed the latest Apple business tactics?
aka. "programmed obsolescence"...


OSX HighSierra Security Update....


#1. Breaks compatibility with NVIDIA Cuda 8.0.90
and GTX Titan 6GB.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers...river-archive/


GTX Titan is the Only NVIDIA card that works from OSX Mavericks 10.9.5,

up to OSX Catalina 10.15.7
maybe also works with Mountain Lion OSX 10.8.5 but havent tested.
BigSur intel is unknown.


CUDA-Z software allows to test CUDA compatibility.
http://cuda-z.sourceforge.net/


in Windows8.1 and W10
The latest driver that supports 64-Bit CUDA with GTX Titan 6GB
was 388.71
but 32-Bit support continues to latest driver.


in OSX CUDA driver 8.0.90 was the latest driver with support for GTX Titan 6GB.
but in the latest OSX HighSierra secuirty update, has broken compatibility.


#2.

Radeon HD5770
Latest OSX HighSierra security Update, breaks compatibility with 60fps.
works at 30fps or less, but Not 60fps in MacPro5,1 2010
has wrong sync signals, makes people think the card is broken / damaged.






the idea of apple is that some people are gonna buy a New MacPro 7,1 2019, and throw away the old MacPro 5,1
if they discontinue support for older systems...


but seems to me its doing the opposite... its hurting Mac sales...


think about it for a second...
if Apple MacPro7,1 had drivers for OSX SnowLeopard,

None of the thousands of Professional Film Scanners would buy an old Mac.


Old Vintage Professional Film Scanners like Imacon, Minolta, Nikon 9000 and many other Drum Scanners, were designed when Apple had PowerPC G4 G5 CPU,
the scanner software still works in OSX SnowLeopard 10.6.8 using Rosetta1 PowerPC CPU emulator...
but Rosetta 2 included in BigSur M1 does Not support PPC.


many people Try VMWare Fusion Player 12.1 and Parallels 16,
but do Not support FireWire Passthrough like USB.


similar happens with ProTools HD10.3.10, HD core PCIe cards, and HDX PCIe


seems to me Apple breaking backward compatibility is hurting New Apple Mac sales, instead of forcing people to buy New, are forcing people to buy old.
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Old 03-11-2021, 04:55 PM
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"has anyone Noticed the latest Apple business tactics?"
You mean the same crap they've been doing for 15 years or more
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Old 03-11-2021, 05:01 PM
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Try Windows.
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Old 03-11-2021, 06:52 PM
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Try Windows.

yes, i have Windows8.1 with Bootcamp drivers...


but... i dont like W10,

and MacPro7,1 does Not support W8.1.


its like Apple talking to me: dont buy Apple.


https://youtu.be/z7Qr6tAh1ag?t=244




Linux has interesting softwares, Harrison mix bus, Audacity and others... AVLinux is a good distro. UbuntuStudio was Not as good last time i checked.
but its very limited, Not as powerful.
RME HDSP 9632 pci card has very good ALSA driver support in Linux.
Davinci Resolve is also available for Linux....
Gimp, InkSkape are replacements for Photoshop, CorelDraw...
Audacity replacement for Adobe Audition & Wavelab
OpenOffice, LibreOffice replacements for Microsoft,
etc...


there is also pearOS a macOS clone, looks the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvRrmeW6o84
https://pearos.xyz/versions/

Kubuntu Groovy Gorilla after some tweaks can look like Windos8.1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqw5TmNt6Gg
Xubuntu is Xfce similar to AVLinux,
Ubuntu is an OSX on LSD
Lubuntu is light version, crap.
etc...


Wine and Codeweavers can run Windows apps.
VMWare Fusion Player 12.1, Parallels 16, Oracle VirtualBox can Virtualize any OS.
QEMU / UTM can emulate any CPU architecture.

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Old 03-12-2021, 04:49 AM
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I learned a long time ago to never blindly apply Apple security updates. Had one that hosed my old iMac system. Thankfully I had a working bootable clone drive so I could get back to working. That drive only gets connected when actually making clones otherwise it's physically disconnected from the computer & unplugged from incoming AC mains.
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similar happens with ProTools HD10.3.10, HD core PCIe cards, and HDX PCIe
Apple has nothing to do with the fact that Avid decided to drop HD card support after PT10.3.10 (supported on OSX 10.8.5, working on OSX 10.9.5) as it was never supposed to be 64bit system. Apple also does not distribute HDX drivers, those come with PT installers, again Avid's release.
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Old 03-12-2021, 07:55 AM
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... i dont like W10...
No platform or OS is perfect. But...

Windows 10 security updates (and even Windows 10 build updates) tend to NOT break ProTools compatibility & functionality (as MAC OS version upgrades often do). A properly optimized Win 10 Pro Tools rig works pretty well, and is more stable over time in my opinion. I like MACs just fine, & I work freelance ProTools gigs on various MACs. But for my own ProTools rigs, I prefer Win 10.
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Old 03-12-2021, 11:44 AM
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Apple has nothing to do with the fact that Avid decided to drop HD card support after PT10.3.10 (supported on OSX 10.8.5, working on OSX 10.9.5) as it was never supposed to be 64bit system. Apple also does not distribute HDX drivers, those come with PT installers, again Avid's release.

Avid following Apple steps...
but seriously...


PTHD10.3.10 works OK in Windows8.1 after installing the interlock driver hidden / nested in the ilok.zip


OSX is different architecture,

because it comes from NeXT OS,
and NeXT OS comes from BSD,
and BSD comes from Unix4.2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix#/...ory-simple.svg


basically FreeBSD, PlayStation4 OS are brothers of OSX,
from same Mother, different Father...
very promiscuous family.


BSD was a compatible side-by-side code re-wrote of the Unix code, to avoid Unix license fee.
same did Apple when moved from true Unix macOS 9.22 to OSX.

similar code that does Not require to pay a license fee to Unix.


but Apple went a step further, and also changed CPU architecture from Motorola CPU to PowerPC created by "AIM Apple-IBM-Motorolla" joint venture.
to avoid Amiga owners running Sheepshaver macOS emulator,
that allowed to run all macOS 7 software at half the price of a real Mac, also half the FPS "faster" and lower quality CRT display "cheaper", mac was high quality.



All Unix OS have similar problems, because the way the Kernel and OS is designed...
Every change in the Kernel or important libraries requires re-compiling all software again for the "New OS" version = backward incompatible.


Microsoft had a Unix OS called Xenix or something, but dropped that, sold it, and started to develop Windows.

Microsoft hired 1000 engineers to develop W7 in 25 groups.


in Unix, Video card drivers are linked to Kernel, using a different kernel breaks Gpu driver compatibility... can be fixed, but requires more work, making New drivers, work that does Not give money.

happens in All Linux / Unix type OS.




i moved back to Windows8.1, in MacPro5,1
but Windows has very bloated code, even W8.1 was designed for tablets "light", still is more Bloated than OSX.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bloat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth%27s_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill%27s_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_bloat


Windows feels slower, more lag, in the same machine,
graphics does Not have Quartz engine of OSX, based on SGI Silicon Graphics technology, another Unix like OS, that makes Graphics to run fluid, smoother, less jitter, less drop & skipped frames.


OSX Yosemite 10.10.5 runs like butter with Radeon HD5770 in a MacPro5,1 2010, instead OSX HighSierra 10.13.6 does Not work at 60fps with same HW and latest Security Update...
i can force to reinstall a previous update, but the annoying banner "update Now" appears again in OSX.
i have to find a way to disable that.



= its Not Avid fault that PTHD10.3.10 does Not work in OSX Yosemite or Newer.
but Avid had the resources to make it work, and chosed Not to.



personally i like more HD10 vs. HD12,
i usually dont need fast bounce...
HD10 is also compatible with HDX.
it was the most compatible ProTools possible.
thats why its a Die Hard.


people that love HD10.3.10 still hope Avid someday is gonna make it compatible with OSX High Sierra.
OSX Catalina its impossible, breaks compatibility with all 32-Bit software.

OSX Mojave breaks compatibility with most OSX Yosemite compatible software & drivers.



some people like HD10 simple interface...

HD12 has too much menus, options, most people will never use.
having 3000 options to make 1 song, becomes overwhelming.




Windows7 and 8.1 has NTFS file system that is inferior to OSX HFS+,
HFS does Not require defragmentation, because defragmentation is done in real time, every time a file is Read or Write...
instead Windows requires 3rd party software to make RealTime Defrag, or requires much more Defragementation time everyweek.


most Linux use Ext4 file system, its faster than NTFS, but its Not fail safe like NTFS, if cancel while moving or a power loss files are lost.
there is a New Linux file system CFS or something, i havent tested,
also W10 has a Newer GPT file system, Not backward compatible as far as i know.
and Apple also has a Newer APFS file system, also Not Backward compatible unless you buy Paragon Windows APFS drivers.



P.D. ive read that there is a very dangerous Bug19 mutation in Finland, much worse than African, Brazil and UK combined.
has Not spread, but its there.

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Old 03-12-2021, 12:11 PM
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Long story but still the reason why HD cards are not working on PT11 and later is because Avid did not make it 64bit and it has nothing to do with Apple.
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P.D. ive read that there is a very dangerous Bug19 mutation in Finland, much worse than African, Brazil and UK combined.
has Not spread, but its there.
If you are talking about Covid, yes we have our own mutation but that is very rare and all of those (and people exposed to it even if not infected) are in hospital quarantine now. Prevalent virus version here is the UK one.
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