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Re: Is it really $599/yr?
So once you sign on to the support plan, you aren't able to do a Transfer of Ownership? Sorry if I am misunderstanding this. Things are SO much harder these days figuring out what is going on with Avid!
We've been using PT since they went to 24 bit in 1998 ('97?) and have owned Pro Controls, Mix systems, Accel systems and HD systems. Whew, invested a lot of money and I one for have NO idea what is going on. Too busy with our work, but when I now check out the PT12 forum, I just go "huh?"….. |
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Re: Is it really $599/yr?
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From what I understood when I talked to Avid the other day, they're still trying to sort that portion out for PT12/&HD. Right now it seems like the only option is to also sell your iLok with it. From what I understood, if you don't upgrade to the new support plan transfers will follow the same protocol that it does now.
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#103
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Re: Is it really $599/yr?
I just downloaded and read the TOO pdf, 'updated' Jan. 2015. The line that concerns me is this, in the HD section:
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The second part: newer Pro Tools HD products which include 2015 support plans are not currently available for transfer. What I don't get is 1: I have a newer Pro Tools HD product (my HDX card and my 8x8x8 I/O I/F). If I or the next owner purchases a support plan, does it cover the HW? If not will they need to buy one in addition to the one for the HD software? If so, is the firmware subject to a support plan? If they don't, they are in the clear as far as doing their own TOO, but the hardware is frozen? How the hell do you freeze hardware? This is too convoluted for me to make any sense of. To me, this is the part and a very nebulous one at that, that would scare me away from purchasing an expensive HDX system. This really IS like ObamaCare... remember Nancy Pelosi? "We have to pass it so you'll know what's in it..."
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It sounds like if you buy an HD system now, you can never sell it and transfer the license. Which from how I am reading it is, you can sell the hardware but the purchaser either has to own a license or has to purchase a license which you currently can't do without buying the hardware. I feel you. Obamacare AVID style. AVID is saying we'll figure it out when we figure it out. If it doesn't work for you, we don't really care. Got your 599? Because we want it, and you don't have choices anymore with AVID. WE are here to [beep] you.
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Or, does the TOO protect me from that? Why would I want to sell my rig to someone knowing they've bought into a mess like this in the first place?
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#106
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If you buy a new HD system now, you can still sell it, because it does not come with a support plan (none of the hardware bundles do). It just comes with HD11, so it's just like if you bought it 2 years ago. You can still transfer the system and software to someone. But if you upgrade it to a support plan, then you can't. At least right now. |
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Would this be the same way for native? will you be able to transfer a native hardware purchase? And after you (if you do) upgrade it you will never be able to transfer that license/hardware?
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I believe, as to the wording in the TOO, that your Native card and if you have, an Avid HD interface are "newer Pro Tools HD products. So, if you're not on a plan now, you can transfer it. If you buy a plan, you can't. I think they are trying to protect the software subscription from transfer, but there seems to be a large can of worms spilling over here... I ALMOST bought a license to get the 3 month extension... glad I didn't. It seems very counter-intuitive to treat the hardware this way. It seems that it would be against anyone with newer hardware's best interests to NOT purchase a support plan...not only that, but if you are running HD software and buy a plan for $599 it's only a software subscription...how can the hardware (and associated firmware) be attached to that? It seems like they won't address that issue with the HW guys. My head is starting to hurt and it's only 9:45 am here. Bottom line for me is, I only want to make music, and make good records. I love my rig, but Avid has created so much drama for me over it, it's become a burden to the creative process... sheesh! Wait a minute! newer Pro Tools HD products which include 2015 support plans are not currently available for transfer. So, if the hardware doesn't include a support plan it can be transferred? I need someone with more legal expertise to help with all this...
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Mac Pro 6.1, E5-2690 V2 10 core 3.0G, 32gig 1866 memory, 512G PCIe system drive, 4 480G OWC 3G SSD data drives in Thunderbolt 2 enclosure, macOS 10.15.7, Pro Tools Ultimate 2020.9.1, Twin Raven MTi's, Apollo 8 TB, 2 UAD2 Satellite Octo Thunderbolt, RME ADI-4 DD, Neve 5012, 5043, Bricasti M7, 2 PCM 92's, M350, DynAudio BM6 MK 3, BM14S, a bunch of cool mics...1 damned iLok2. |
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Maybe I'm unique and Avid's attitude towards me is ignore, it'll go away...
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Mac Pro 6.1, E5-2690 V2 10 core 3.0G, 32gig 1866 memory, 512G PCIe system drive, 4 480G OWC 3G SSD data drives in Thunderbolt 2 enclosure, macOS 10.15.7, Pro Tools Ultimate 2020.9.1, Twin Raven MTi's, Apollo 8 TB, 2 UAD2 Satellite Octo Thunderbolt, RME ADI-4 DD, Neve 5012, 5043, Bricasti M7, 2 PCM 92's, M350, DynAudio BM6 MK 3, BM14S, a bunch of cool mics...1 damned iLok2. |
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