In what area is Pro Tools REALLY lacking??

[Bones Up Records]

I have used both logic and pro tools, editing and recording audio clips in pro tools is much faster and easier, logic does weird things with tempos it just makes up its own tempo this can cause issues. In my experience pro tools is faster and easier to work with. Never had very many crashes or issues either.

[Chingy]

Originally Posted by Bones Up Records

I have used both logic and pro tools, editing and recording audio clips in pro tools is much faster and easier, logic does weird things with tempos it just makes up its own tempo this can cause issues. In my experience pro tools is faster and easier to work with. Never had very many crashes or issues either.

I have never seen logic "make up tempo" - do you have an example? Logic X has gotten very good for audio in recent years. Unfortunately, Pro Tools has not gotten very good for MIDI.

[melodydetective]

I'd like for them to bring back the concept of MIDI plugins, and have a robust scripting engine that would work with non-realtime bounces (so I don't have to rely on TransMIDIfier). And folder tracks would be good. But also, something like DP's tempo calculation based on markers. That is crazy great and nothing else does it like that. And instant-play preloading for the live trigger people out there.

[Mishabou]

Originally Posted by Chingy

Unfortunately, Pro Tools has not gotten very good for MIDI.

I work extensively with midi in PT and CB for orchestral using fairly big templates and don't find PT lacking at all. Both programs have pros and cons and depending on your workflow, you might prefer one over the other.

What do you find lacking in PT midi wise ?

[Sardi]

Originally Posted by melodydetective

I'd like for them to bring back the concept of MIDI plugins

Bring back?

When have they EVER had MIDI plugins?


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[midnightrambler]

Originally Posted by Mishabou

What do you find lacking in PT midi wise ?

For starters, something like this. Drum programming in Superior Drummer 3 is a real joy compared to trying to do the same thing with the ProTools MIDI editor.

http://duc.avid.com/attachment.php?a...1&d=1548244126

[Bob Olhsson]

Why would have anyone created Superior Drummer if people could simply use the Pro Tools MIDI editor? Pro Tools was the first HOST for third-party audio processing. I'm not sure we want to see Avid competing directly with the products they host.

[midnightrambler]

Originally Posted by Bob Olhsson

Why would have anyone created Superior Drummer if people could simply use the Pro Tools MIDI editor? Pro Tools was the first HOST for third-party audio processing. I'm not sure we want to see Avid competing directly with the products they host.

So you're saying no drum editors like this appear in any other DAW? Funny, 'cause I remember using something that looked pretty much like the Superior one in Cubase v3 back in 1994.

By your logic, ProTools might as well stop making any advancements to anything, in case they tread on other developers' toes....

[muesli]

Transpose function for chord ruler!

[Sonopolis]

Besides these unbelievable ancient things like multiple marker tracks and bins/folders in the clip list (15 years now?) or more background processing, most of what I read here are simple feature requests that one might have to other DAWs too. Sure, Logic has better MIDI. But please compare it's automation to that of PT. So each DAW has it's strength and weaknesses. That's how I see it.

But most restraints that annoy me, are caused through Avids attempt to lock out competitors and boost it's hardware sales through the limitation of software features. No OSC, no APIs, a proprietary plug-in format, encrypted session files, a radical licensing policy on Eucon....

Just imagine how this platform - and the industry and the art with it - could befit from interoperability. I would really like to use all these free Spatial Audio VST-plugins developed at universities, drop my session onto a reconforming software to have it re-edited in an instant, choose the control surface that gives me the features I need and tell Alexa to analyse, translate and print out that interview over lunch. In other software this can be done, well most of it so far

However, I see the biggest problem in the really old code of PT. Just compare the start time of PT to that of Ableton Live or Reaper. Live takes about 5 seconds to start, Reaper needs about 2.5. That is roughly the time PT needs to open a small, empty session from the templates.

Or look the file size of the application itself. PT is 1.9GB big, plus the plug-ins folder. Live Suite is 2.8GB. That's more, but look closely. There are about 350MB of documentation, 970MB of samples, instruments and effects and 900MB of MAX-8 inside the application bundle, so do the maths. And Reaper? 65 MB.

So I'm not holding my breath for bins. Before that PT will be discontinued and replaced by a new Avid DAW.