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Old 01-31-2012, 06:32 PM
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Angry HDX upgrade path

okay avid.

i have a hd 3 accel and i can run 96 channels. So my only upgrade option is to HDX 1 were i can only run 64 channels. Don't forget i have to now replace all of my Blue I/O with your dandy new Gray I/O (to Run protools 11 in future) which strangely don't appear that much different. I know the analog convertors are better but cmon most of my channels are digital. So 1's and O's don't sound different with your dandy new grey convertors.
Further more I have to pay upgrade fees for all of my plugins which may or may not be DSP supported... Also have you even fixed the ADC problems with midi and how exactly can i run virtual instruments in your Rolls Royce of an audio system ?

Something smells a little fishy here...

So let me see I can spend:

5999.99 for HD3 to HDX 1 w/omni then .....
5000.00 ? for an additional HDX care then....
2500.00 x 5 AES digital i/os ( i don't want madi for this setup)

23499.00 TOTAL FOR MY UPGRADE!!!!! not including plugins or a new mac to put it in... (don't even get me started on that)

So please someone tell me why these guys feel so much like the audio mafia...

I'm now going to check out Nuendo for damn sure and maybe I can help to influence a great number of people in the post industry to consider nuendo...
for the price of my upgrade i can buy at least 2 Nuendo Rigs... maybe more...

Avid you are seriously late to the table with all your "features" and now your bending me over a barrel.

So how many people vote that they need to do the upgrades equal...

HD3 accel for HDX 3 5999.99
HD2 accel for HDX 2 6999.99
HD1 accel for HDX 1 7999.99

????? anybody..
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:52 PM
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Why not just stay at 10 with all the hardware you have. I would think you could make money with that rig for at least 5 more years
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Old 02-01-2012, 10:06 AM
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Also, AVID never said the blue interfaces won't work in the future. They said they were not specifically supported (meaning: tested).

If you think about all the 3rd party manufacturers that make 192 I/O "compatible" interfaces like Prism, DAD, Apogee, Aurora etc., I personally believe the 192 I/Os are going to do the job for a long time coming, especially if you use their digital I/O.

That would mean you can upgrade the cards only, just keep your interfaces.
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Old 02-01-2012, 10:58 AM
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I'm doing the opposite. I am replacing I/O now (immediate benefit) and waiting to see if the new cards are needed at all depending on the next Mac Pro (if it happens) and the viability of an HD Native card. There seems to be NO point in doing HDX right now, just not enough DSP plugs yet.
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Old 02-01-2012, 11:48 AM
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I know the analog convertors are better but cmon most of my channels are digital. So 1's and O's don't sound different with your dandy new grey convertors.
So you currently have 5 digital 192's ? Blue ?
Why would you want to change those into new ones then at this point in time ?

Just saying .... Yes you would need a second HDX card to get to 96 I/O but you do realize that you're talking the equivalent of an HD 8 - HD 10 in DSP power right ?

Also ... and people do not yet seem to realize this : Each HDx card can be used as an independent card to build a system on its own. You used to have a core card and DSP cards. Now there's only the one HDX card. This comes with the huge benefit that you can use these as 2 separate systems if need to. Or split them up further down the road etc etc ...

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Old 02-02-2012, 07:30 PM
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i hear all that about more dsp etc etc... when it works with more plugs and manufacturers jump onboard .... great... i think its great for people wanting to load tons of plugs... i'm not arguing that the dsp isn't going to be fantastic. Avid should have upgraded dsp 3 yrs ago. we all know that.

when upgrading in the past : mix systems to hd systems... you went from mix 3 to hd accel 3... not mix 3 to hd accel 1 ?? just because the cards were more powerful...avid is seriously being greedy..

if nuendo were to get 5-10% of protools business from this that would be huge... so maybe avid should come to the table with some real upgrade prices is all i'm saying...
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:51 PM
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I just got a HD2 system and was thrilled about it. Then 8 months later HDX came out and told me every ProTools product in my studio would be obsolite next year. So I wasnt very happy either. BUT .
I uprgaded to HDX and my opinion on upgrade or even new prices is this
HD1 about $7500 HD2 $11000 HD3 $13000
HDX about $7500 (no interface)
So for almost dollar for dollar the HDX to HD1 is more than 3 time the system
So AVID now sells a HD3 in the HDX format for $7500 I think people seriously need to realize this 300% upgrade in performance for the same price
a absolut bargin. If you dont like the new era of DSP buy NATIVE if you do like it great HDX if you cant afford it so sorry for ya.
People have been asking for a newer 64 bit version of PT for years. Now that they have it at a 66% savings people are complaining. Grow up people.
HDX is the future who cares if it take you a while to get there did you think it was gonna be free. VERY HAPPY HDX CUSTOMER thank you AVID
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:27 PM
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Yes, new cards are always better value for money, but...

I can share the concern of many, that the blue interfaces would not work with the 64 bit PT11 that may be here within a year or so. It would not be good for any of us, and surely it would be very bad press for AVID. Hopefully they continue working just like MIX interfaces continued to work as legacy gear until PT8 (last supported MIX core card system was PT6.4)

If AVID does something that makes blue incompatible with PT11, many people will be very mad. At least we knew since PT9 that new interfaces are here. It's just that there's nothing wrong with the old ones and if we're forced to fix what ain't broken... not good.

But at least there is always hope -- if 3rd parties can do it, so could AVID
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Old 02-03-2012, 01:25 PM
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Yes, new cards are always better value for money, but...

I can share the concern of many, that the blue interfaces would not work with the 64 bit PT11 that may be here within a year or so. It would not be good for any of us, and surely it would be very bad press for AVID. Hopefully they continue working just like MIX interfaces continued to work as legacy gear until PT8 (last supported MIX core card system was PT6.4)

If AVID does something that makes blue incompatible with PT11, many people will be very mad. At least we knew since PT9 that new interfaces are here. It's just that there's nothing wrong with the old ones and if we're forced to fix what ain't broken... not good.

But at least there is always hope -- if 3rd parties can do it, so could AVID
I agree you have a good point I would not have bought the new interface if I didn't have to but its sorta like this. If ferrari comes out with a new car they make you buy the new engine. You can't just say the engine from 1990 was pretty good so why do I need another can't I just use my old one .
AVID wants there new flagship product HDX to be only heard with the best results and I don't blame them for it, even if it does suck for me and all of us HDX is not about good enough its about the best right now ,not good for back then. I dont agree with AVID but I understand ,
How would you like it if you gave your best in tracking then they took there tracks to a DIGI 003 studio with ROKIT 8s and pentium2, I don't think you would feel like your product was well represented but hey the customer got to buy only what he wanted now your reputation suffers from it
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