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Old 07-09-2001, 05:48 AM
Heinz Kohlbauer Heinz Kohlbauer is offline
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Default Illogical Sorting of Audio Regions in Audio Regions List in PT 5.1

Hi there,
Regarding the Sorting of Audio Regions in Audio Regions List, I find it not quite logical how this is handled in PT 5.1.
Example:
You are recording a piece with a Saxophon-Quartet (played live, meaning they play together at once, not in play-back), giving each Saxophon a track and name the tracks Sax1, Sax2, Sax3 and Sax4. After recording a few takes (which are auto-named Sax1-01, Sax2-01, Sax3-01, Sax4-01; Sax1-02, Sax2-02, Sax3-02, Sax4-02,…) you want to put the best parts together. By applying the "Capture Region Command" over the 4 tracks you define the parts from the chosen takes. Let's say you name them as following: "A", "B", "C", "D", "E", "F"
So, if choosing "By Region Name" under "Sorting" in the "Audio" pop-up-menu you get the following sorting:
Sax4_01/A (starts with Sax4, why?)
Sax3_01/A
Sax2_01/A
Sax1_01/A
Sax4_02/B
Sax3_02/B
Sax2_02/B
Sax1_02/B
Sax4_04/C
Sax3_04/C
Sax2_04/C
Sax1_04/C
Sax4_03/D
Sax3_03/D
Sax2_03/D
Sax1_03/D
Sax4_01/E
Sax3_01/E
Sax2_01/E
Sax1_01/E
Sax4_04/F
Sax3_04/F
Sax2_04/F
Sax1_04/F
Sax1_01/Sax1_01
Sax1_02/Sax1_02
Sax1_03/Sax1_03
Sax1_04/Sax1_04
Sax2_01/Sax2_01
Sax2_02/Sax2_02
Sax2_03/Sax2_03
Sax2_04/Sax2_04
Sax3_01/Sax3_01
Sax3_02/Sax3_02
Sax3_03/Sax3_03
Sax3_04/Sax3_04
Sax4_01/Sax4_01
Sax4_02/Sax4_02
Sax4_03/Sax4_03
Sax4_04/Sax4_04

Okay, the sorting starts with "A", but with Sax_4 ! Why? Now, if I select the four voices to draw them on the four tracks, I get Sax4 on track Sax1, Sax3 on track Sax2, Sax2 on track Sax3 and Sax 1 on track Sax4.
There is a way around by selecting "By Source File Name" under "Sorting" in the "Audio" pop-up-menu and then again "By Region Name". Then the sorting starts with
Sax1_01/A
Sax2_01/A
Sax3_01/A
Sax4_01/A
But as soon as you perform any edits (like trimming) on these regions you get the other sorting (starting with 4) again!!!

In my opinion, this is a flaw in PT 5.1, that should be corrected in the next up-date!
For me, working in the classical field and doing a lot of multi-track editing as described in my example (but often with more tracks), the status quo is not really acceptable.
Independent of this matter, I would generally suggest a better management of the Audio Regions List. E.g. the option of displaying regions from adjacent tracks with the same starting point and length as a single item/folder (with a collapse/expand triangle) in the Audio Regions List as it is already done in PT 5.1 with Stereo and Surround tracks making it easier to handle a lot of regions. Think of an orchestral recording with 16, 24 or more tracks!

I kindly ask you for your comments.

Heinz Kohlbauer
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