hits mixed "In The Box"?

[scottgreiner]

I posted off-topic on a Charles Dye thread, and thought it would be more appropriate for it to have it's own heading

I too, heard Charles speak at Digiworld. He and Kenny Gioia seem to be the only visible "mix inside of ProTools" guys. By
visible, I mean you can go to the store, buy the cd and check out their work. Does anyone know of other commercially
available "popular" music (not obscure bedroom stuff) that was mixed INSIDE ProTools? Are there any other guys making
hits INSIDE of ProTools? How about hit records with a real rhythm section mixed INSIDE ProTools.

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[Hardnox]

The stuff Producher mixes. I think he's worked with Mandy Moore, LFO, etc.

Gary Cirimelli...nominated for a grammy this year for his work on Neal Schon's record. Give our stuff some time, we're all in Pro Tools.

In my opinion, wait awhile. Let the next "Pro Tools Generation" of producers and artists hit the forefront. It's not Pro Tools, it's the person running it. I believe this even more after today, getting to watch a seasoned veteran work "In The Box." It can be done. People need to stop thinking "I can't" and start thinking "I will." I know some guys will rip me for this but, ohh well. Learn how to mix in Pro Tools. As you get better, the software/hardware will also. It's already good enough...are you?

[Joris de Man]

Heya,

I read on Jeff Rona's site (www.jeffrona.com) that the moviescore for 'Black Hawk Down' by Hans Zimmer and Mediaventures was completely mixed inside of Protools. The mix was done by Alan Meyerson, imho one of the best score mixers out there.

Cheerio,

Joe

[scottgreiner]

Hardnox,

Producher = Kenny Gioia. I like his work. Thanks for the Neil Schon/Gary Cirimelli tip. I'll check that out.

Who was the "seasoned veteran"? What style of music was it? What did he do that was new to you? As a "mix in the box" guy, I'm always searching for tips & techniques. Everytime I work with a "heavy hitter", I learn. I'm also finding that some styles fair better than others in the all ProTools enviornment. To me, modern is easy in ProTools, vintage is hard.

[THETHRILLFACTOR]

What kind of music are we talking about? and "all in the box", does this mean no outboard analog gear/just plug ins? If its pop you are looking for, then you are likely to find many, but that doesn't mean that they sound great. The modern pop machine is based more on promotion than sound(case in point MP3's). If its modern rock, than you aren't likely to find many, because most of the top records are mixed by the same 5-6 guys:Andy Wallace,JJP,TLA and CLA, Brendan Obrien. All of these guys mix on SSL's. Its funny even though ProTools had alot of benefits for a busy mixer(Totall Recall,automation) it is still not embraced as a mixing medium.

[Hardnox]

The "Seasoned Veteran" I was talking about was Gary Cirimelli. We get to go work with him on some mastering again today. It wasn't necessarily what he was using, it was how he was using it. It was HIM! His ears, knowledge and experince. That's my point with all these Pro Tools bashers. The system's good enough...are you?

By the way, I mentioned this post at PT show last night. Creed's first album was all in Pro Tools. I think they said Julio Eglesias was mixed in PT as well. New school baby! What If I don't want to sound like analog today?

[snoopy]

It hasn't been embraced by the big mix engineers becase they are set in their ways (If their mixes aren't broken, why fix em?). Most of the ones listed earlier don't even use a J-9000, but still prefer the SSL 4000 because that's what they know and are most comfortable with. The next generation of mixers will probably rely only on PT to mix. And of course eventually something better will come along, but those guys will still stick to PT, despite something better (better being a loosely used term) beccause they want to use what they were raised on, etc etc.

I think I saw a special on Moby, where he showed where all his stuff is 'mixed' at home. It was a PT setup with a ProControl, which led me to believe his stuff is all mixed internally. This makes me also wonder if with the advent of DAWs, artists will begin to want to mix their music themselves.

[Felix]

I agree mostly, but would the Radiohead albums, Amnesiac or Kid A have sounded so amazing if they were mixed inside PT instead of ran through a Helios console(i think that's what it was)?
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[THETHRILLFACTOR]

"Most of the ones listed earlier don't even use a J-9000, but still prefer the SSL 4000 because that's what they know and are most comfortable with".

This statement is partially true(even though JJP works on a suped up Focusrite console). The 9000J and the 4000 series sound different. While the 9000J sounds cleaner, the 4000 is more of an agressive animal. When you push it, it doesn't close up as much as a 9000J. Plus most of the 4000 series that are around have been heavily modified to sound great. Certain styles of music sound better on each(and I mix on both). Pop,country and RnB favors the 9000J more(I think its because most of tracks are synths/samples and they usually sound great already, so you don't have to create the sounds as much, just blend. Also the automation is better suited for 1000 of passes). Rock,rap, and anything agressive favors the 4000(and sometimes the 6000). When you hit it hard it just crunches(as well as the EQ and compressors). So its used more for creating sounds in the mix. Even the VCA automation has a certain color to it. The ProTools thing is to me more of a sound thing than a getting used to thing. I've been using computers and midi since the mid 80's, and I've seen it all. While I love the automation and the the total recall of Pro Tools, I still can't get the mixes to "bang" like I can on a board.

[DigiTechSupt]

Here are a few commercially available "mixed in Pro Tools" releases

- Larry Carlton Steve Lukather "No Substitutions Live in Osaka" Favored Nations Entertainment. This one won a Grammy. Mixed and mastered by Steve Vai and Neil Citron.

- Steve Vai Alive in an Utlra World. Epic. Mixed and Mastered by Steve Vai and Neil Citron.

- Jessica Simpson Irresistible "Forever in Your Eyes" This on went Gold. Mixed by Rhett Lawrence.

- 98 Degrees Revelation "You Should Be Mine", "Always You and I", "Dizzy". Universal. This one was multi-platinum. Mixed by Rhett Lawrence.

- Melanie C. (Sporty Spice & Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes) Northern Star "Never Be The Same Again" Virgin Records. Multi-Platinum. Mixed by Rhett Lawrence.

- Blackeyed Peas & Macy Gray Bridging The Gap "Request Line" Interscope. Mixed by Rhett Lawrence.

- Enrique Iglesias Enrique "Alabao" Interscope. Multi-Platinum. Mixed by Rhett Lawrence.

- Emma Bunton (Baby Spice) A Girl Like Me "Not Gonna Sleep Tonight" Virgin Records. Pokemon Soundtrack "(Hey You) Free Up Your Mind" Atlantic. Multi-Platinum. Mixed by Rhett Lawrence.

- Upcoming Toto release. Not totally sure on this one but I've heard it is being mixed inside Pro Tools by Simon Phillips.

Simon Phillips has done some other really good sounding projects all in Pro Tools. I believe they are total Pro Tools mixes but I'm not 100% sure. Jazz album "Vantage Point" and a recent Derek Sherinian CD.

- There's the Charles Dye mixes, Ricky Martin and I believe Julio Iglesias, etc. etc. but you might want to check his website for more info.

Jon Connolly
Digidesign Product Specialist