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Old 10-14-2009, 12:22 PM
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Default Protools 8.0.1 intermittant freezes and hangs

Hi,

I'm getting long freezes with Protools 8.0.1 where the auto edit tool changes to the scrub (speaker icon) tool and the wheel of death comes up. When it occurs no Protools functions can be used, and the Mac thinks Protools has stopped responding. Mostly after a few minutes Protools will return to working, usually with many single frame nudges before control returns to the user. Sometimes the freeze is permanent and Protools has to be force quit and the Mac restarted.

I think it may be linked to using the jog wheel on a Shuttle Pro, but I'm not completely convinced as has occurred without touching the Shuttle Pro.

This occurs on two separate systems, both using a PCIe HD1 card with Intel Mac (OS 10.5.8), Sync HD, 192 and Shuttle Pro (with latest drivers)

Any thoughts on how to prevent this or what might be causing it?

Thanks,

Phill.
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Old 10-14-2009, 03:25 PM
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Default Re: Protools 8.0.1 intermittant freezes and hangs

I don't have a fix, but I want to add something that may or may not be related. Since PT8.0.1, possibly 8.0, I find myself suddenly in scrub mode. It is as if I pressed the SCRUB button on my Pro Control, in fact the scrub button lights. The thing is, I have not touched the PControl at all. I can release the mode with STOP, but what turns the mode on? It is a misinterpretation of key/mouse clicks by Pro Tools, I think, as if I had changed to the scrub tool and then clicked the mouse (without releasing the click). Clicking the mouse then does nothing, there is no cursor to be seen, and the only way out is to press STOP.

Point being, I think Pro Tools keyboard/mouse inputs can get confused somehow. Some kind of confusion makes Pro Tools search for meta data to match tracks when i KNOW I did not press the modifier+click that invokes the mode. (OT, How come you cannot stop that search after it is started? Clients have been okay about it, but it makes me really, really mad to wait 90+ seconds for it to finish.)

There are regular, separate times when Pro Tools seems to "take a break", with a pizza wheel if I keep pressing keys. The break is usually under 10 seconds, but the other day I waited more like 20 seconds. When PT came back to me, every keypress I had made was suddenly performed. We saw this kind of thing with an earlier version, 7.2 or 7.3 maybe?, and this is not as bad for me, but it is happening.

As I said, maybe this isn't related to your problem, but there you have it.
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Old 10-14-2009, 07:27 PM
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Default Re: Protools 8.0.1 intermittant freezes and hangs

I've been having this problem since 8.0 as well. Just let is sit and spin it's wheel s for a few minutes and check your email
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Old 10-15-2009, 11:21 AM
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Default Re: Protools 8.0.1 intermittant freezes and hangs

You really shouldn't be experiencing these kinds of SWODs.

One thing that's a huge factor in odd behavior is plug-ins. Having even one incompatible plug-in installed, even if it's not used in the session, can cause all kinds of strange things to happen.

Have you absolutely, positively verified all plug-ins are compatible? If you have, I'd still like to see your installed plug-in list. You can use the plug-in version generator in the Tech Support Utility (reference in the General Troubleshooting thread) to generate and post a plug-in version list...

Have you also done all the optimizations in the General Troubleshooting thread? Setting audio drives to private in the Spotlight panel is another essential one...
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Old 10-15-2009, 01:41 PM
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Default Re: Protools 8.0.1 intermittant freezes and hangs

Thanks for the replies.

TechSupt, thanks for the help. We only have the pluggins that came with Protools plus TL Space and Digitranslator 2.0, but to be sure I'll follow the steps you mentioned and post the results.

One thing I forgot to say is this isn't new to 8.0.1 and also occured in 8.0 and the following CS revisons. It didn't seem to happen in 7.x though.

Thanks,

Phill.
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Old 10-15-2009, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: Protools 8.0.1 intermittant freezes and hangs

I discovered that Sound Toys was not up to date. I had v3, not v3.1. So I've upgraded that. The others are current. Once I go back into heavy use next week I'll keep an eye out for more spinners.



Here's the list before Sound Toys upgrade. The first time I ran your utility I was only given a list of the plugins, with no version numbers at all. A second run gave me this printout. How come Sound Toys versions are not listed even after I upgraded them?:

Pro Tools Version
__________________________________________
Pro Tools HD.app
8.0.1, Copyright 1991-2009 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.




Plug-In Versions
__________________________________________
BF Essential Clip Remover.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

BF Essential Corr.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

BF Essential Meter.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

BF Essential Noise.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

CEDARDNS2000RCS.dpm
3.1, Copyright 2007 CEDAR Audio Ltd.

Chorus.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Click.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Cosmonaut Voice.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

D-Verb.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

DigiReWire.dpm
8.0.1, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Dither.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Dynamics III.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

EQ III.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Elastic Audio.dpm
8.0.1, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Eleven Free.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

FilterBank_HD.dpm
4.2x18, Copyright 1998-2007 McDowell Signal Processing, LLC

Flanger.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Invert-Duplicate.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

LoFi.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

MC2000_HD.dpm
3.2x18, Copyright 1998-2007 McDowell Signal Processing, LLC

Maxim.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Mod Delay II.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Multi-Tap Delay.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Normalize-Gain.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Ping-Pong Delay.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Pitch.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

RectiFi.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Reso.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Reverb One.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Reverse-DC Removal.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

SansAmp PSA-1.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

SciFi.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Signal Generator.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

SignalTools.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Sonic NoNOISE.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

SonyOxfordDynamics.dpm
1.6.2, Copyright 2007 Sonnox.

SonyOxfordEQ.dpm
2.6.2, Copyright 2007 Sonnox.

SoundCode DTS.dpm
1.0.5, Copyright 2006 Neyrinck

SoundCode Dolby Digital.dpm
1.0.5.2, Copyright 2006 Neyrinck

SoundToys

Speakerphone.dpm
1.1 Copyright 2007 by Audio Ease. All rights reserved.

Stereo Mixer.dpm
8.0.1, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Surround Mixer.dpm
8.0.1, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

TL AutoPan.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

TL InTune.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

TL MasterMeter.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

TL Metro.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Time Comp-Exp-Pitch Shift.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Time Shift.dpm
8.0.1, Copyright © 2005 by Digidesign, a division of Avid. All rights reserved.

TimeAdjuster.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Trim.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

VariFi.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

bombfactory BF76.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

iZRXDeclickerPTHook.dpm
1.2.1, Copyright © 2001-2008 iZotope, Inc.

iZRXDeclipperPTHook.dpm
1.2.1, Copyright © 2001-2008 iZotope, Inc.

iZRXDenoiserPTHook.dpm
1.2.1, Copyright © 2001-2008 iZotope, Inc.

iZRXHumRemovalPTHook.dpm
1.2.1, Copyright © 2001-2008 iZotope, Inc.

iZRXSpectralRepairPTHook.dpm
1.2.1, Copyright © 2001-2008 iZotope, Inc.
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Old 10-16-2009, 11:07 AM
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Default Re: Protools 8.0.1 intermittant freezes and hangs

The reason SoundToys don't show up is that they're in a folder and the utility can't parse folders (yet).

I would try removing Speakerphone or update to 2.x - I've heard of problems with 1.1 from other customers.

Did you trash preferences after removing/updating plug-ins?

Have you verified your RAM yet - by pulling/replacing/swapping it? Don't bother with a utility that tests it - they're virtually worthless.

What about testing from a new admin account?
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Old 10-16-2009, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: Protools 8.0.1 intermittant freezes and hangs

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You really shouldn't be experiencing these kinds of SWODs.

One thing that's a huge factor in odd behavior is plug-ins. Having even one incompatible plug-in installed, even if it's not used in the session, can cause all kinds of strange things to happen.

Have you absolutely, positively verified all plug-ins are compatible? If you have, I'd still like to see your installed plug-in list. You can use the plug-in version generator in the Tech Support Utility (reference in the General Troubleshooting thread) to generate and post a plug-in version list...

Have you also done all the optimizations in the General Troubleshooting thread? Setting audio drives to private in the Spotlight panel is another essential one...
Thanks again for this, I've pasted the version list from one of our systems. I went to post the other one as well but it doesn't show versions for some reason, just a list of plugins. I'll try the utility on that one again later.

I don't think its a ram issue in our case as the same problem occurs on two separate machines.

Is it necessary to dissallow Spotlight on the audio drives? I tend to use Spotlight to find audio from previous sessions to import. I did try making the audio drives private today though and still experienced the SWOD nedar the end of the day. It may be coincidence, but the problem does seem to get worse as the day goes on, rarely happening in teh morning and almost alwats happening late afternoon.

Thanks for any thoughts,

Phill.

Pro Tools Version
__________________________________________
Pro Tools HD.app
8.0.1, Copyright 1991-2009 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.


Plug-In Versions
__________________________________________
AIRChorus.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRDistortion.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRDynamicDelay.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIREnhancer.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIREnsemble.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRFilterGate.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRFlanger.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRFrequencyShifter.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRFuzz-Wah.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRKillEQ.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRLo-Fi.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRMulti-Chorus.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRMulti-Delay.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRNon-linearReverb.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRPhaser.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRReverb.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRSpringReverb.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRStereoWidth.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRTalkbox.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

AIRVintageFilter.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

BF Essential Clip Remover.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

BF Essential Corr.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

BF Essential Meter.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

BF Essential Noise.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

BF Essential Tuner.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Boom.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Chorus.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Click.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

D-Verb.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

DB-33.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

DigiReWire.dpm
8.0.1, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Dither.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Dynamics III.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

EQ III.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Elastic Audio.dpm
8.0.1, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Eleven Free.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Flanger.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Funk Logic Masterer.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Invert-Duplicate.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

LoFi.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Maxim.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

MiniGrand.dpm
1.0.0.8542 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Mod Delay II.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Multi-Tap Delay.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Normalize-Gain.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Ping-Pong Delay.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Pitch.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

RectiFi.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Reverse-DC Removal.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

SansAmp PSA-1.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

SciFi.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Signal Generator.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

SignalTools.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Stereo Mixer.dpm
8.0.1, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Structure.dpm
1.0.2.7584 Copyright 2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Surround Mixer.dpm
8.0.1, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

TL AutoPan.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

TL InTune.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

TL MasterMeter.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

TL Metro.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

TL Space Native.dpm
8.0cs3, Copyright 1991-2006 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Time Comp-Exp-Pitch Shift.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Time Shift.dpm
8.0.1, Copyright © 2005 by Digidesign, a division of Avid. All rights reserved.

TimeAdjuster.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Trim.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Vacuum.dpm
1.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

VariFi.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

XPand!.dpm
2.0.1.9624 Copyright 2005-2007 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

bombfactory BF76.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.


Plug-Ins Unused Versions
__________________________________________
Dynamics II.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

EQ II.dpm
8.0.0, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Stereo Dithered Mixer.dpm
8.0.1, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.

Surround Dithered Mixer.dpm
8.0.1, Copyright 1991-2008 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.


Toolkits and Digitranslator Versions
__________________________________________

Music Production Toolkit is not installed


DV Toolkit 2 is not installed


Digitranslator 2
8.0.1, Copyright 1991-2005 Digidesign, A Division of Avid Technology, Inc.


Digitranslator 1 is not installed


Complete Production Toolkit is not installed
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Old 10-16-2009, 02:21 PM
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I would try removing Speakerphone or update to 2.x - I've heard of problems with 1.1 from other customers.

Have you verified your RAM yet - by pulling/replacing/swapping it? Don't bother with a utility that tests it - they're virtually worthless.

What about testing from a new admin account?
Speakerphone is very troubled, that is true. I won't miss it for testing purposes! (Actually, based on my experiences with it I doubt I will ever upgrade it. Too bad, although it sounds good it cannot be reliably automated, which means that it is useless for efficient mixing.) RAM I bought 2 more gigs last month, so just for funzies I'll pull out the original RAM. (The pizza pauses happened before, that is one reason I increased RAM. Increase didn't help noticeably. I will try your suggestion) I suppose making a new admin account is worth a try. I've got another mix early next week and I'll try all these things at once. Thanks for your help.
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:43 PM
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Default Re: Protools 8.0.1 intermittant freezes and hangs

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I would try removing Speakerphone or update to 2.x - I've heard of problems with 1.1 from other customers.

Did you trash preferences after removing/updating plug-ins?

Have you verified your RAM yet - by pulling/replacing/swapping it? Don't bother with a utility that tests it - they're virtually worthless.

What about testing from a new admin account?
So, to update what it is NOT...I created a new admin account and removed Speakerphone. I also used two entirely different sets of RAM. I only had enough for 2 sets of 2 gig, but it made no difference whether I used one or the other, or all RAM (4.5G total).

I noticed that as I nudged a large group of tracks forward or backward (1 frame, for instance), each nudge took longer than the previous until I was waiting between 30 seconds to over a minute per nudge. If PT was playing as I nudged, the waits were longer. As I undid the nudges, it was reversed. The further back I went, the shorter the wait! That was unexpected.

Because I have a very large number of regions within a long session (32M session file, currently about 3 hours running time), I decided to reduce the number of undos, from 32 to 16, then to 8, then to 4. It didn't seem to make much difference, if any difference, how many undos were set in the preferences, but I noticed that each time I changed the number, I waited up to several minutes with a spinning wheel. There were no crashes. If I waited long enough, PT would return to work.

At this point I am thinking my problem is related to processor speed (still a G5 dual 2.5G PPC here) and the undo cache. Large sessions have always been sluggish here, but this one on PT8 with my cpu is the worst I've ever encountered.
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