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Old 07-21-2002, 10:38 AM
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Default Please HELP: -9073 killing me, need to make a decision right away.

G4-400pci/640ram
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OS 9.2-PTLE 5.1.1
Stock Quantom 10gig 5400rpm used for system and LE application only.
Maxtor 40gig 7200rpm used for dedicated audio recording only.
Two Avid 9gig scsi drives used for back up.
---Memory allocation: 130-LE / 130-DAE

I posted this before about this problem. At this point right now, I’m getting ready to buy an external firewire drive to use as my main audio drive because I’m fearing that my Maxtor audio drive is starting to fail. I keep getting –9073 errors lately which started about three weeks ago. I have done extensive tweaking and testing and simply cannot figure this one out (and of course, right in the middle of a big project…) :sad:

In my previous post, I indicated that I had updated to OS 9.2. This is the only change I’ve made to my system in about a year. I’ve never seen these –9073 errors or any other errors for that matter, before now. Even with DAE set to a buffer of 4, hardware setting at 1024 samples, CPU at 85% and set max recording time to 20 minutes in prefs.

The drive is 40gig in two partitions, each partition is just a little over half full.
I defragged the drive, rebuilt the directory and tested it (including surface scan) with TechTool Pro 3 but it shows all tests passed… [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img]

Is it possible that TechTool is missing something?
I moved a couple of very important sessions(including their audio) to a couple of scsi Avid drives I use for back up. When I launch the sessions from those drives, I never get the –9073 and they are VERY dense sessions.

Anyway, I think I’m just going to get that firewire drive unless someone here has some other suggestions in trying to solve this problem.

I’m looking at that Firewire EzQuest Cobra+ 80gig 7200rpm which has the Oxford 911 chip set. If anyone is using this drive for dedicated audio only, does it work well? Any problems with it I should know about? Should I just stick to IDE? Can someone save me from spending $210.00 right now? Just not a good time… [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Thanks for any input on this matter.

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Old 07-21-2002, 10:54 AM
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Default Re: Please HELP: -9073 killing me, need to make a decision right away.

dk,

Forgive me if this is off base. I don't use Tech Tool other than to test things.

Is is possible that Tech Tool is 'defraging' the drives, but not OPTIMIZING them?

In one instance, the files are all contiguous but spread about....in the other instance, all files are contiguous and placed in a clustered location.

It sounds like this is what is happening. Your drive is unable to read the files fast enough.

I personally use Norton and have never had a problem.

Hope this helps.

PS. The Cobra drive sounds sweet anyway - I was thinking of picking one up myself [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 07-21-2002, 11:03 AM
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In one instance, the files are all contiguous but spread about....in the other instance, all files are contiguous and placed in a clustered location.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well TechTool calls their defrag function "optimize" but with no other options.., how can I tell the difference by just looking at the overview between contiguous optimization or clustered and what should it be?

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Old 07-21-2002, 11:16 AM
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Well...
Again, I am speaking from a "Norton" framework....:

When a full on optimization occurs, the usage map will have all the files located together at one place....the graphic looks kinda like 'earth and sky'. Where the 'earth' is the used drive space, and the 'sky' is the empty unused space.

I don't know if this makes sense or not. But anyway......all of the data is located together...with no gaps in between.

In norton, there is the option of just selecting "defrag" or the full on optimization. This is what made me think of your situation.

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Old 07-22-2002, 01:50 AM
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Daniel,
Sounds suspiciously like your drive is failing to me. As I mentioned before, this is exactly what happened to me just before my Seagate drive died.
None of the tests I performed on my Mac with ANY software showed the drive as faulty. The telltale sign was when I tried copying files from this drive to my IBM, the Seagate would hiccup at certain points.
Once I made a copy of the contents of the Seagate, I put it into my PC and ran the Seagate test utility and the drive failed even though nothing else showed the fault including Microsoft scandisk.
If your SCSI drives are working OK, I really think you have the same problem I had.
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Old 07-22-2002, 02:20 AM
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Here are some tips for avoiding -9073 errors...

Since you've got SCSI drives in your system, why not use them instead of (or in addition to) the IDE drive?

If you're using multiple drives, remember that the slowest drive is the limiting factor (if you have one super fast drive and one slow drive, the slow drive is likely the cause if you're splitting the work equally).

Watch the drive activity lights. When things are going well on a drive, you'll see/hear a nice purrrrrrrrrr, then a brief period of drive inactivity. If you see the drive activity light on continuously (without nice little gaps), this means the drive is not keeping up and you're bound to get a -9073.

Very dense edits across a bunch of tracks in a small time window will make the drive(s) work harder. With no edits (and no fades) you can put many more tracks per drive. With more edits/fades, you'll need to spread your tracks across more drives.

If you have lots of RAM in your system, you can bump up the DAE buffer to 8. This won't cause any real problems, other than starting/stopping the transport will take a few seconds longer.

From your description, I also think that your IDE drive is pooping out.

Hope this helps!

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Old 07-22-2002, 05:44 AM
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Thanks everyone. But…
Things just went from bad to MUCH worse. Last night I though I would start moving my "important" audio files over to one of the scsi drives. The transfer took about hour or so and all seemed to go well. I launched PT and ran a few sessions. Everything ran great. Then;

I did a restart… (Now., imagine the low cello’s from Jaws slowly crescendoing in the background…)
The scsi drive that I just transferred ALL those files over to, for some reason "cannot be read by this computer". And will NOT mount on the desktop. The choice is [initialize or eject]. Well I certainly don’t want to initialize damn it!
ATTO tools gives me a –60 error when I try to manually mount the damn thing. [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img] That drive was sitting right there on my desktop 3 minutes before!! wtf?!?!

I had formatted the two Avid scsi drives a while back with ATTO express tools and they have been running really great all along.

Wouldn’t you know it, I… um, gulp… erased ALL the files that where on the Maxtor IDE drive because I was convinced it was failing (still is).

The files I lost that are my biggest source of angst are thew ones in a folder I called "Projects 2002". In it were all the original session cues for my current TV project I’m working on which all share the same audio folder. I’m talking over 40 cues that I’ve written in the last three months or so.

Only good news is; Thank god I had enough sense to store all those cue MASTERS on my G4 stock drive as well as EVERYTHING else I’ve written since 1997!

The big problem is I can never go back to those original sessions to utilize and create different "mix outs" of those cues; that, if you know about scoring and editing for film, is an essential process. Example:
Client says; "Hey, that cue works really great there. Can you just take out that oboe?" Me; "Well of course I can…" [img]images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/confused.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

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Old 07-22-2002, 07:24 AM
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Oh yeah, does anyone think it might still be possible to retrieve that lost data?

I tried to repair the disc with TechTool, Norton and First Aid. None of which can even see the drive now, let alone "fix it".

Should I just dig a shallow grave in my back yard and gently lower the drive into it? –OR- Should I take the drive somewhere and see if someone can do something with it beside using it as a doorstop…?

I think need a hug… [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

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Old 07-22-2002, 04:20 PM
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Daniel,
I know how you feel. If you can spare the $$, I'd suggest taking the drive to a specialist in data retrieval. Can cost quite a bit though.
My trusty(??) IBM drive is dying too. This is the drive I have my 'Cabala' project with 'Lightyears' on [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img] I was backing up the session and the drive made those telltale sticking noises and I got disk errors. Norton tells me the disk has MAJOR problems and has developed bad blocks [img]images/icons/mad.gif[/img]
Fortunately I have already mixed the song but I can't get the original session off my HD.
This drive is still under warranty and is the first IBM failure I've had.

Here's a big cyberhug. Perhaps it'll help us both to feel a little better [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-22-2002, 04:24 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dkrausz:
[QB]Oh yeah, does anyone think it might still be possible to retrieve that lost data?

I tried to repair the disc with TechTool, Norton and First Aid. None of which can even see the drive now, let alone "fix it".

Try DiskWarrior. I had a totally lost drive that I thought was toast and DiskWarrior saved it.
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