Drum Overheads

[easyrider]

Right I have decided :)

Oktava Mk 012-01 MSP2 Matched Pair

Can get these for £229 shipped to the UK

Seems to get rave reviews for the cost to performance ratio.

[cwsand]

Originally Posted by mesaone

yeah those PZM overheads are definitely not following the 3:1 "rule" of stereo pair placement.

Technically the 3:1 rule applies to 2 mics recording 2 different sources, not a stereo configuration, though it may have merit in this situation too. I agree that you'd probably get a more spacious image if you spread the pzm's much further apart.

[mesaone]

Originally Posted by cwsand

Technically the 3:1 rule applies to 2 mics recording 2 different sources, not a stereo configuration, though it may have merit in this situation too. I agree that you'd probably get a more spacious image if you spread the pzm's much further apart.

It's for 2 mics recording the same source. In this case, the source is the drum kit, although you could easily argue that the kit counts as several individual sources.

[easyrider]

https://soundcloud.com/easy-rider-91223276/easy-test-2

Here is a clip of just one PZM nothing else..a bit of EQ and some reverb.

[cwsand]

Originally Posted by mesaone

It's for 2 mics recording the same source. In this case, the source is the drum kit, although you could easily argue that the kit counts as several individual sources.

That's the common misconception, but the 3:1 rule applies to 2 mics on 2 sources, not a stereo configuration. The pzm's in the picture are basically a spaced pair, which are not phase-coherent.

[easyrider]

Do you think its worth getting this set?



Oktava MK-012-20 MSP8

http://www.oktava-shop.com/category-...2-20-MSP8.html



Comes in at £572 and offers 4 mics in one... Should offer me some more options when recording more than just drums.

MK-012 small diaphragm - cardioid, hyper cardioid, Omni-directional; MK-102 large diaphragm - cardioid


Thanks

P.S I've made some changes to my drum setup. I've addressed some issues you all brought up.I'll post some picture later...Feedback welcome

[Marsdy]

Originally Posted by easyrider

Do you think its worth getting this set?



Oktava MK-012-20 MSP8

http://www.oktava-shop.com/category-...2-20-MSP8.html



Comes in at £572 and offers 4 mics in one... Should offer me some more options when recording more than just drums.

MK-012 small diaphragm - cardioid, hyper cardioid, Omni-directional; MK-102 large diaphragm - cardioid


Thanks

P.S I've made some changes to my drum setup. I've addressed some issues you all brought up.I'll post some picture later...Feedback welcome

That's a no brainer IMO. I'd add a stereo T bar to your budget. They're only a few pounds. A coincident pair or ORTF pair is the ONLY way to properly record drum overheads!!!! (Ducks for cover.)

[easyrider]

Originally Posted by Marsdy

That's a no brainer IMO. I'd add a stereo T bar to your budget. They're only a few pounds. A coincident pair or ORTF pair is the ONLY way to properly record drum overheads!!!! (Ducks for cover.)

T bar and two of these

[Marsdy]

Originally Posted by easyrider

T bar and two of these

Agreed except Studiospares do a much cheaper one. Not as nice but if budget is being stretched.

[mesaone]

Just a hint for the Oktavashop - log in to see cheaper prices. Those shockmounts are 24,90 EUR when not logged in and 20,92 EUR when you log in. The MSP8 set is 789,01 EUR when not logged in but 663,03 once you log in. That's a significant amount.

I found this out when buying some swivel adapters and fig-8 capsules last year

By the way, the MK-012 makes a fantastic vocal mic, believe it or not. Here's mine from a somewhat recent session. Cardioid capsule with an added swivel adapter, shockmount, and pop filter. http://i.imgur.com/j2riAuc.jpg

Also, a tip for the stereo bars with these mics... To get XY pattern, one mic needs to be elevated above the other.. Raising one of the mics is easy if you just take two adapters (one 3/8-5/8 insert adapter, one 5/8 to 3/8 adapter) and put them together on one side of the stereo bar to form a riser.

Originally Posted by cwsand

That's the common misconception, but the 3:1 rule applies to 2 mics on 2 sources, not a stereo configuration. The pzm's in the picture are basically a spaced pair, which are not phase-coherent.

If that's the case, I've been walking around with that misconception for awhile. Oops. But it's okay, I break the rule all the time when it sounds good.