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Re: ilok - someone elses security system you pay f
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Its cool that you can use your rig in Antarctica or Mars if you want, but I and most others just want to get our own rigs going. So its a spin off benefit to the upper few percent who are lucky enough to jetset around mixing at exotic locations, at the expense of the average user. now where have I seen that logic used before? I simply want to run my software, software I have already paid for in a trouble free and transparent way, anything after that is a bonus. portable plugin authorrisation is indeed a cute feature, but I don't need it and if I did then perhaps they should sell this as an addition feature targeted at those travelling and indemand jetseting people who could obviously afford it. Quote:
-Duardo [/QUOTE] go and have a look at the construction of them again. maybe you got a nice chrome encased one but my rig came with a light plastic one, and if you are moving from rig to rig, or merely moving your rig to different locations as I do sometimes, you're going to have to remove it, store it, plug it back in etc, its going to be subject to stress, it is going to wear, and sooner or later it is going to fail. now thats fine for a piece of hardware to fail, nothing lasts forever, I don't have a problem with that, but seeing as its someone else's security protection (ie you're doing someone else a favour by running this thing) surely they should do all the hard yards to make that system up keep transparent. that would include not letting a third party bleed you for cash, zero down time as mandatory and expected, (not as a bought and paid for bonus), and flick out some gold plated keys or something, sheesh I don't know, just do something to repay the favour the customer is doing them. bells and whistles is sweet but lets get the basics right first eh? |
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surely the mobile authorisation is something completely different from merely getting a software authorised and running. |
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Of course we pay for copy protection...we would even if the manufacturers didn't use the iLok. You just seem to be bothered that you may on occasion have to pay the company that manages the copy protection directly. Quote:
If you're having to pay the fee if you have a problem, you're paying for technical support. That's very common. And as others have mentioned, it's a rare event that someone's actually charged for it. I had a technical issue that they took care of and I wasn't charged. Quote:
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If you're really concerned, get one of those little USB extenders and leave it plugged into that. Or leave it plugged into your USB hub and just unplug that. I have a bunch of microphones in my studio I plug in and unplug on a regular basis. I don't think that the concept of taking good care of a relatively small, relatively valuable piece of equipment is a difficult one. Quote:
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ilok don't care about squeezing every penny out of us cos its not their software. digi on the other hand has a vested interest in their customers. squeeze to hard and they'll go to the neext platform that offers the same for less, not that that platform exists in my opinion at the moment, but it might. Quote:
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and I don't want to pay 'insurance' for someone elses protection. you can keep arguing for your personal right to do so but i'd rather have the option to not do so if its all ok with you. Quote:
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its an ethical issue as much as an expense issue, but the expense isn't a couple of bucks, and it is on going. its also a procedural issue. the procedures in place do not favour the client, they favour ilok, and digi and 3rd parties get to fob their responsibilities off onto someone else. Quote:
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I could enclose my ilok in a vacuum sealed shielded from sunlight, sterile environment too, then it would be really safe, part from damage from accidental crushing, man, so many things to worry about. there are lots of things to do to protect the ilok, like not putting it in your pocket like its another key even though it looks like one, but it still ignores the basic issue, who is ilok protection, who is it for. not me. its for software companies. They've devised a system that does stuff for them, and the upkeep and safety and maintenance onus is on us. I'm raising this glaring issue so it can be contemplated and maybe addressed. Quote:
but a microphone does something for you, ilok does something for someone else. why is that so difficult to grasp. Quote:
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I'm opposed to ilok, not the software it protects, a lot of which is digi stuff, on the platform I use. my challenge response software is more transparent. it may not provide as greater protection as ilok to the software developers but its more transparent to me the guy who actually paid for this stuff. why not give us the option. u can either use ilok or another type of protection. then you'd be happy and i'd be happy and we wouldn't be having this conversation. |
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We're also at a point where some of these installations (especially sample libraries) can take a VERY long time, especially with data decompression. Ever install the VSL Pro Edition? Optimally, lots of these things need to be installed on faster internal drives rather than FW, so traveling with a FW drive isn't necessarily practical. If you're a person needing to dealing with a mega installation, traveling with your system is probably the best solution. Lee Blaske |
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Lee Blaske [/QUOTE] thats a good point lee. its not just the key, you have to take installer discs for all of this stuff, and then you have to deal with clashes and crashes. and then when you go the person who's rig you used has to weed out all those plugs that no longer have authorisation. I remember a couple of demos I installed and when the time period had expired they created problems. ilok isn't quite as care free international traveller without luggage as you make it out to be jeremy. its a little in that direction, but there's more to it than that. perhaps a system where you got your authorisations off the net would be just as simple, then you wouldn't even have to have that troublesome heavy key in its climate conrolled, sealed for sterility, reinforced concrete container, personally I don't want any of those features, I just want my one rig to run free and transparent, and it is running now, after that little glitch with the dead connection, which opened my eyes to how fragile it was. I'm speaking up now in the hopes that I don't have to find out again. |
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I haven't done it, but isn't it possible to install all your software and preferences onto a bootable firewire drive which you take to other studios? You re-boot with your drive and it is as if you are on your own rig.
Maybe not as portable as an iLok, but way more complete. At least in theory... Best....H |
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>>ilok isn't quite as care free international traveller without luggage as you make it out to be jeremy.
it really is. try this: upgrade your CPU to Apple's latest and greatest. You have a ton of ilok plugs, + many challenge response. how long will you spend dealing with C/R? let's say 3 minutes each (in a perfect world, but we know that it will take AudioEase 24 hours to respond. Antares will only issue new responses during business hours, Spectrasonics has cut me off due to too many installs, so i have to beg each time now (x 3 plugins), etc... I have 41 assets on my ilok. at 3 minutes each (conservative) that's HOURS. when I migrated to my new G5, moving the iLok took about 8 seconds. NOW - here's the fun part. You wish to have a clone of your boot partition for testing new software versions before you go live with clients... ok, CCC it... but all your C/R auths need to be re-done on the clone boot drive. iLok is done. Shall I continue? You are asked to mix a tune at a friend's studio. You tell them to download your favorite suite of plugs that they don't own... you bring iLok, and that's that. Lee's fear about installing plugs doesn't hold up under OSX, since there's only one place for it. Easy to remove. Why would I want my auths on a HARD DRIVE that is sure to crash eventually? I own a bunch of C/R software, but as soon as the vendors allow iLok, I will move my auths there.
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Sure, installing C/R software takes time, but getting iLok stuff installed and running is also time consuming. Quote:
The vintage of the Digidesign system at the host studio, along with the computer hardware and OS being used is also going to have an impact on the portability of a project and plug-ins. If the host studio doesn't have Accel, your Accel only plug-ins will not work. If any content oriented plug-ins move to iLok, files will almost certainly be installed in multiple locations. Lee Blaske |
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