Avid Every-ware" a wast of time! fix the bugs

[jackdog]

AVID need to allow a very very cost effective upgrade to the HD version.

After using PT 11"non HD" its just not good value for the money the HD version
needs to be the same price as the none HD version to compete in the DAW
market.

As for "Avid Every-ware" wast of time! fix the bugs Avid ASAP

Delay Compensation Bug "Still not fixed"
cpu overload Bug "still not fixed"
the list go's on ?

Thanks

[musicman691]

Originally Posted by jackdog

AVID need to allow a very very cost effective upgrade to the HD version.

After using PT 11"non HD" its just not good value for the money the HD version needs to be the same price as the none HD version to compete in the DAW market.

As for "Avid Every-ware" wast of time! fix the bugs Avid ASAP

Delay Compensation Bug "Still not fixed"
cpu overload Bug "still not fixed"
the list go's on ?

Thanks

We're never going to see HD and non-HD PT the same price. No daw developer that has a regular and lite version of their software charges the same price for both. Look at it this way - would you expect to pay the same price for a stock Strat versus one from their Custom Shop? No. In case you haven't realized it we live in a capitalistic world and people and companies are entitled to a return on their investment in development of a product.

[nigelpry]

It's true ... while full Cubase might be at a similar price point to vanilla PT, rather than PTHD, that's a different argument.

Cubase has an 'Artist' version which does not include surround, and is missing lots or other 'high end' features, and an 'Essentials' version that competes with Pro Tools Express.

Also, arguably, Cubase is itself Steinberg's mid-level app, seeing as Nuendo is the most full featured version of what is in essence the same product.

There has been plenty of debate here in other threads, especially at the time of PT10 and PT11’s announcement, regarding Avid's pricing strategy, the relative feature set of HD and vanilla versions, and the withdrawal of Complete Production Toolkit, which provided a mechanism for vanilla PT users to get HD functionality without buying HD hardware (but it wasn't cheap, in case you were wondering).

Those debates led to Avid reducing it's initially announced upgrade costs. Arguably they could have gone (much) further, and many users remain pretty sore by the withdrawal of CPTK, but I honestly don't think your post adds anything to the debate.

It may be worthwhile, if you have the time, glancing at the heavy traffic of discussion generated in the past, then you'll have a better understanding of the views of many Pro Tools users, and you'll see how Avid responded.

Also, you'd be better off, if you haven't already done so, adding your comments regarding bugs to the relevant threads that already exist on those subjects, and make sure you vote on them on ideascale, even though that shouldn't be necessary.

[Emcha_audio]

TO put it in perspective,

Cubase (the full edition ) cost about 600.

Nuendo (the advance production tools that is based on the same engine as Cubase) 2400$.

[guymor]

It's ironic that you say Avid Everywhere is a waste of programming time when it's going to be the foundation of subscription based pro tools and satisfy your price point issue.


Everywhere will change fundamental workflows in both music and video post arena, and it's infinitely more important than a bug fix.

A brave total reboot of software development that 11 is will inevitably have human error in it, but I applaud Avid for giving us a system that is exactly the same to create on - while building a robust infrastructure for the future.

[musicman691]

Originally Posted by guymor

It's ironic that you say Avid Everywhere is a waste of programming time when it's going to be the foundation of subscription based pro tools and satisfy your price point issue.


Everywhere will change fundamental workflows in both music and video post arena, and it's infinitely more important than a bug fix.

A brave total reboot of software development that 11 is will inevitably have human error in it, but I applaud Avid for giving us a system that is exactly the same to create on - while building a robust infrastructure for the future.

I pray that Avid doesn't go the Adobe route with subscription based software without the ability to buy a product outright. Subscription based software is just like rent-to-own - you end up paying more in the long run than if you buy the product outright. Actually long run in some of these cases is less than a year. It will NOT satisfy anybody's price point issue.

[guymor]

I agree with you on principal, and is we look across the isle to Media Composer we can see that the plan the have is to offer three ownership options: subscription, outright purchase, and company floating license.


I would consider the low volume crowd as well, and think about subscription based more like Zip car than an endless lease.

[andreªs]

Originally Posted by jackdog

As for "Avid Every-ware" wast of time! fix the bugs Avid ASAP

Delay Compensation Bug "Still not fixed"
cpu overload Bug "still not fixed"
the list go's on ?

Thanks

+1000

[Eric Lambert]

Originally Posted by guymor

Everywhere will change fundamental workflows in both music and video post arena, and it's infinitely more important than a bug fix.

Au contraire - some of these bugs are entirely crippling and prevent a slew of people from using PT11 (and PT 10.3.9 with its *new* bugs) in a professional environment. So I'd say the OP has it right, and a lot of people who paid for a working product didn't get what they were promised, and still don't have it. Some have called it fraud. That's perhaps a bit extreme, but I can see what they're barking at. More negligence than fraud.

[nst7]

Whatever bugs are present, they are the same in the HD software as the non-HD software, so I'm not sure why the OP thinks these will suddenly go away if he gets HD software. It's the same thing, just with more features unlocked.