iLok2 for Pro Tools 10? Why??

[Lehrman]

We are trying to upgrade from ProTools 9 to 10 on 14 computers. Since we just bought PT10, we have been given a free upgrade to 11 when it comes out--which we actually don't want, at least not for a while.
Apparently, PT11 requires an iLok2, even though PT10 doesn't. However, iLok License Manager is insisting that we are installing a "PT11 bundle" which contains both PT10 and PT11, and will not let us just install PT10 on our iLoks. However, to install PT11 we need to get iLok2s on every machine.
So it seems that we need to replace all 14 iLoks, to run software we don't even want.
Is there a way to "unbundle" PT10 and PT11 so we can run the software we want without spending an extra $700?

[crizdee]

Originally Posted by Lehrman

We are trying to upgrade from ProTools 9 to 10 on 14 computers. Since we just bought PT10, we have been given a free upgrade to 11 when it comes out--which we actually don't want, at least not for a while.
Apparently, PT11 requires an iLok2, even though PT10 doesn't. However, iLok License Manager is insisting that we are installing a "PT11 bundle" which contains both PT10 and PT11, and will not let us just install PT10 on our iLoks. However, to install PT11 we need to get iLok2s on every machine.
So it seems that we need to replace all 14 iLoks, to run software we don't even want.
Is there a way to "unbundle" PT10 and PT11 so we can run the software we want without spending an extra $700?

Hi,

You can still download the bundle onto an ilok 1 and PT10 will run fine. the only time you'll need an ilok 2 is when you want to run PT11.

So carry on as you were using ilok 1 until you need to go to PT11 then you'll have to purchase ilok 2.

Ilok 2 is needed for higher security! this is the reason many vendors are using ilok 2 only. Ask Slate digital what happened when they used ilok 1


Chris

[JFreak]

Originally Posted by Lehrman

Is there a way to "unbundle" PT10 and PT11 so we can run the software we want without spending an extra $700?

I'm afraid the bundles cannot be broken.

But you could consider that 700 bucks well spent because compared to 1st gen the new ilok keys are close to impossible to break. I have broken at least a dozen 1st gen keys and was always worried about those plastic things when I was on the road. With the new ones no worries.

Imagine how much it would cost to break one of the iloks which has plenty of licenses loaded...

[JFreak]

Also,

I think those keys can be bought for discount if you buy many at once. I don't know if +10 is many but it's worth asking.

[Craig F]

Originally Posted by JFreak

Also,

I think those keys can be bought for discount if you buy many at once. I don't know if +10 is many but it's worth asking.

I've asked, you need at least 50 for a discount

[Lehrman]

Originally Posted by crizdee

Hi,

You can still download the bundle onto an ilok 1 and PT10 will run fine. the only time you'll need an ilok 2 is when you want to run PT11.

So carry on as you were using ilok 1 until you need to go to PT11 then you'll have to purchase ilok 2.

Ilok 2 is needed for higher security! this is the reason many vendors are using ilok 2 only. Ask Slate digital what happened when they used ilok 1


Chris

Ummmm...no.

I can't download the bundle onto an iLok 1. If I could, I wouldn't have wasted three hours in the lab this morning and posted this message. When I try to move the bundle to an iLok1, I get a message saying I need an iLok2.

[Lehrman]

Originally Posted by JFreak

I'm afraid the bundles cannot be broken.

But you could consider that 700 bucks well spent because compared to 1st gen the new ilok keys are close to impossible to break. I have broken at least a dozen 1st gen keys and was always worried about those plastic things when I was on the road. With the new ones no worries.

Imagine how much it would cost to break one of the iloks which has plenty of licenses loaded...

Since these are tied to machines in a lab (literally, with wire ties) and never moved, breakage is not really an issue. I've owned about 30 of these suckers over the years and never broken one. I'm sure the new ones are sleek and wonderful and all that, but if I needed to buy them when I upgraded the software, someone needed to mention that so I could have budgeted for it. As it is I now have several thousand dollars of useless software.

[JFreak]

Originally Posted by Craig F

I've asked, you need at least 50 for a discount

Ask someone else than iLok, for example altomusic.com or sweetwater.com or audiodeluxe.com or if you know someone personally at any plugin company. I think someone will make you a nice deal.

[JFreak]

Originally Posted by Lehrman

Since these are tied to machines in a lab (literally, with wire ties) and never moved, breakage is not really an issue. I've owned about 30 of these suckers over the years and never broken one. I'm sure the new ones are sleek and wonderful and all that, but if I needed to buy them when I upgraded the software, someone needed to mention that so I could have budgeted for it. As it is I now have several thousand dollars of useless software.

Have you already noticed that many plugin vendors require iLok2, haven't you?

[LightWing]

Well I just went from 9 to a 10/11 upgrade and could not run 10 on an ILOK Gen 1 probably because of the 11 Bundle.

Bought an ILOK Gen 2, stuck it in along side the ILOK Gen 1, started the new ILOK desktop app, did a drag and drop from the Gen 1 to the Gen 2, and pulled the Gen 1.

Fired up 10.3.5 and it load perfectly. Found all my old plugs and locations including STRIKE! Kits, etc.

Running everything on a Dell PowerEdge 840 Server, NVIDEA Dual Vid Card, Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit, 8GB RAM, 2 @ 2TB SATA Drives and a Quad Core XEON processor with a Delta 66 Interface (Guitar Player).

Threw an old tune with 32 tacks of mixed stuff at it; Audio, Instrument & Midi...

Running like clockwork and exceptionally clean.

VERY Happy!

Patrick

PS...patiently waiting on 11.