OSX 10.7 Lion + PT9

[nean]

haha, so let's wait until next week and see how the one and only glory avid will surprise us,....

[cdavis6406]

Go and sin no more.

[nean]

an official confirmation from russ (seems he has not signed a NDA,... )

http://www.airusersblog.com/home-pag...-official.html

Today Apple seeded the Gold Master version of their new OS X Lion or 10.7, in the software industry that's a shipping product. If you are a Pro Tools user then here's definitive proof that there's no way you are going to be able to run Pro Tools on it from the get-go.
Max Gutnik in a recent web chat here on the blog, confirmed Avid's commitment to making sure that Pro Tools is fully compatible with the latest OS, but until we see an update from Avid for Pro Tools, then you've got more chance of giving birth to a goat than running Pro Tools on Lion.
If you go and install Lion and expect Pro Tools to run in any stable fashion then remember YOU WERE WARNED!

[psmworld]

ähem

running pro tools hd 9.0.3 perfectly on osx 10.7 pre-gold...

[sorcerer27]

psmworld,
Care to elaborate on how you were able to do it? I've heard with 10.7 Gold when you try to launch Pro Tools 9.03 that it states you can't run this version of Pro Tools (your Pro Tools version is 9.03) with this version of the Operating System.

[psmworld]

just installed osx 10.7, installed pthd 9.0.3, repaired permissions, voila

mac pro 2010 6-core

[gives]

Originally Posted by NobleSix

In my experience, Pro Tools has NEVER worked on a brand new OS right away. Give it a few months..... no need to rush. Let the kinks get worked out.

Unless it's 64 bit protools, what would be the advantage. they just had an update to 10.6.8 last week. I have not even done that one. I don't see any reason to upgrade at the moment. I am sure all of the VI's I use would not run on 10.7 yet. I just have too much to risk to just jump off a cliff like that . ie. paying clients:) It's like a car, NEVER buy first generation! Good luck brave souls. G

[kazuomik]

Originally Posted by sorcerer27

psmworld,
Care to elaborate on how you were able to do it? I've heard with 10.7 Gold when you try to launch Pro Tools 9.0.3 that it states you can't run this version of Pro Tools (your Pro Tools version is 9.0.3) with this version of the Operating System.

Even though Pro Tools.app cannot be launched from Dock or Finder,
we can still execute Pro Tools binary directly from Terminal.app, typing ike:
cd '/Applications/Digidesign/Pro Tools/Pro Tools.app/Contents/MacOS'; ./'Pro Tools'

But there may be other trouble.
For my case, Play immediately stopped.
After executing Repair Disk Permission from Disk Utility.app,
the permission of /Library/Audio/MIDI Devices was fixed,
and it started to play again.
It seems fine so far on Lion GM Seed as on DP4.

[nean]

Originally Posted by kazuomik

Even though Pro Tools.app cannot be launched from Dock or Finder,
we can still execute Pro Tools binary directly from Terminal.app, typing ike:
cd '/Applications/Digidesign/Pro Tools/Pro Tools.app/Contents/MacOS'; ./'Pro Tools'

But there may be other trouble.
For my case, Play immediately stopped.
After executing Repair Disk Permission from Disk Utility.app,
the permission of /Library/Audio/MIDI Devices was fixed,
and it started to play again.
It seems fine so far on Lion GM Seed as on DP4.

whats your output of "uname -a" and "otool -L" for Pt app ?

as you can see ProTools is still using Carbon Framework, and i'm wondering how you got a working carbon framework under 10.7 gm?

# otool -L /Applications/Digidesign/Pro\ Tools/Pro\ Tools.app/Contents/MacOS/Pro\ Tools
/Applications/Digidesign/Pro Tools/Pro Tools.app/Contents/MacOS/Pro Tools:
	/Users/tom/Projects/Develop/MDK/source/Integrations/ProToolsForWorkgroup/Release/libProToolsInterplayOption.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0)
	@executable_path/../Frameworks/CFnd.framework/Versions/A/CFnd (compatibility version 9.0.0, current version 9.0.0)
	/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Carbon (compatibility version 2.0.0, current version 136.0.0)
	/System/Library/Frameworks/IOKit.framework/Versions/A/IOKit (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 275.0.0)
	/System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/Versions/A/Security (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 36371.0.0)
	/usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 111.1.4)
	/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreMIDI.framework/Versions/A/CoreMIDI (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 49.0.0)
	@executable_path/../Frameworks/Pro Tools.framework/Versions/A/Pro Tools (compatibility version 9.0.0, current version 9.0.0)
	@executable_path/../Frameworks/DFW.framework/Versions/A/DFW (compatibility version 9.0.0, current version 9.0.0)
	@executable_path/../Frameworks/DigiPlatformSupport.framework/Versions/A/DigiPlatformSupport (compatibility version 9.0.0, current version 9.0.0)
	@executable_path/../Frameworks/DSI.framework/Versions/A/DSI (compatibility version 9.0.0, current version 9.0.0)
	@executable_path/../Frameworks/FFmt.framework/Versions/A/FFmt (compatibility version 9.0.0, current version 9.0.0)
	/usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib (compatibility version 7.0.0, current version 7.4.0)
	/usr/lib/libgcc_s.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.0.0)
	/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/CoreServices (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 32.0.0)
	/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation (compatibility version 150.0.0, current version 476.18.0)

at this point my assumption would be, that avid needs (or already has for a brand new version) to recode a lot of legacy (carbon) crap to be compatible with lion.

so, that means there is either a brand new ProTools version waiting or, it is that much work to be 10.7 compatible that an update can not be expected within next year (earliest) ?!?

At this time still no comment from avid, please avid -> don't pray openness ?!


developing Pro Tools: as everyone may know avid lost a lot of Pro Tools core developers in the past years and since pt8 avid is doing a lot of outsourcing to the east like ukraine, czech, etc,... that was also a reason why the last update for 10.6 took that long, beside that there were problems in communication and source versioning, new avid bureaucratic guidelines to force mates not to be efficient as they like, etc... ( stuff that happen on almost every transition,... ) the only thing which kept almost the same was just the (lets say flagship/trademark) name "ProTools",...
there may be benefits having a new team and at this time avid can show the world that everything is on track and there's a brand new version of protools x with a lot of new features (which are still missing at 9) ready for 10.7 ?!


for everyone who is doing daily business with protools, of course -> please keep at your stable supported release, no one is forcing you to update or change anything!
this topic is just for developers which are testing, and playing around with lion and of course will like to know what is all about the avids' promises,...


cheers,
(avid mole)

[LukeHoward]

If you're suggesting that Apple dropped support for 32-bit Carbon apps in Lion, I doubt it - think of all the applications that would break.