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Old 09-18-2004, 02:50 AM
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Default compressed snare without washy cymbal bleed?

Hi - I am finishing mixing a 5 song rock band right now, double kick / 4 toms.. that kind of thing.
Anyway, i lightly compressed the snare pre-PT, but they want a really really compressed snare sound. I have a light compression on the whole drum submix, but when i focus on fattening up the individual snare track with comp, it sounds great until the release when the hi-hats and other cymbals bleed through and ruin the stereo image I had going.

I've been trying to gate it, but I just can't get this one right.

Any suggestions for this session, or future ones (on avoiding over compressed cymbal bleed but keeping the super-compped snare sound)?

Thanks! Erik B
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Old 09-18-2004, 02:30 PM
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Default Re: compressed snare without washy cymbal bleed?

You might want to consider triggering a companion to help with the sound they're looking for.

Back when I was recording bands years ago, I found that having the "final" drum sound about 90-95% there when tracking helped avoid this kind of mix dilemma.

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Old 09-18-2004, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: compressed snare without washy cymbal bleed?

Duplicate the snare track, EQ out the cymbal bleed on the dupe track. Then, compress the heck out of it and blend it back in with the original.

Never tried it, but it could work.

In the future, build a sheild around the snare mic with auralex or cardboard or something.
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Old 09-18-2004, 05:03 PM
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Default Re: compressed snare without washy cymbal bleed?

If you like the compressed snare sound up to the release, then why not copy the snare down to a new fader for the release, and treat it differently than the rest of the track.

As was mentioned above, you may want to trigger a sample to help the snare. The nice thing about that approach is that you can compress it as much as you want without affecting the cymbals.

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Old 09-19-2004, 05:14 AM
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Default Re: compressed snare without washy cymbal bleed?

Use Strip Silence to remove from the snare track everything but the snare. Then compress to taste. If you can't make Strip Silence work perfectly, follow up by editing the track by hand to isolate the snare.
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Old 09-19-2004, 10:28 AM
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Default Re: compressed snare without washy cymbal bleed?

You also might try compressing the overheads more. There's probably quite a bit of snare in those tracks, and the compressed cymbals and toms might actually serve the mix.
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Old 09-20-2004, 01:11 AM
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Default Re: compressed snare without washy cymbal bleed?

thanks for all of your help guys! It was a crappy sounding snare and he played his hats really low. I am printing this thread to take with me to the studio tomorrow!!
Thanks again, Erik B.
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Old 09-22-2004, 04:20 AM
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Default Re: compressed snare without washy cymbal bleed?

There is the simple professional answer to this question. Use a de-esser. The top mixers in the world use this trick all the time. A de- esser on the main snare drum track can have a huge effect controlling hi hat bleed. You can then re-eq back in the high end you want on the snare drum after wards. This is the best solution for a badly bleeding snare mic. You can thank me later.
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Default Re: compressed snare without washy cymbal bleed?

another, unrelated, dess trick, is to put one on a squeaky acoustic guitar. works great to minimize string noise..
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