Cannot install bootcamp with digi cards inserted

[tigerman]

Hi to all, does anyone has tried installing bootcamp on the new mac pro nehalem 4,1 ?

i get bsod and system freezes with all windows operating systems.

the cause are the pt hd2 card installed on the machine, in fact removing that cards makes me able to install

win 7 x64 - bsod during "completing installation", message: A clock interrupt was not received on a secondary processor

win 7 x86 - system freeze in the same moment

vista - bsod in the same moment (unexpected error)

win xp sp3 - system freeze during boot camp installation "intel chipset", then pci.sys broken after reboot.

your cards are creating problems installing bootcamp on this mac pro models.

Is it know or there are some problems with my cards ?

i'm still installing let's see if it works if i instert the cards after all win updates and boot camp installation, i'll let you know.

[tigerman]

i have problems also after windows 7 installation.
i have reinserted hd cards and it has frozen the system when i have rebooted while it was trying to install them.
i have rebooted in safe mode and disabled them from devices manager, there are 1 pci adapter + 3 audio multimedia controller for each card to disable.
then i've rebooted and now it works again.
i don't need to install pro tools on win 7, but i'm just wondering how we can install this, does it works in boot camp ?

so, to install boot camp, remove hd card, install system and update everything and install boot camp 3.0 from the dvd then 3.1 update (expecially if you use win 7 64bit).

then turn off, insert pt cards and reboot

let it freeze

restart in safe mode and disable all the devices with ! and ? (4 devices for every card inserted)

restart again and use windows 7.

If you need to use ProTools inside bootcamped windows.. well.. let us know :)

[Moonman13]

I have a problem with third card installed in PT HD3 MAC PRO 2.66 with Bootcamp 31 Win7 64 bits.
It only boots with two cards, even the safe mode boot doesnt work when third card is in.
Also I get constantly the error overloading cpu, I have tried with less prosessors, different hds and with and without rtas-plugs.
Help please!
Thanks.

[musicman691]

I don't understand - are you trying to run PT in Windows? Why not just run it in OSX? Then you don't have the problems with trying to load a foreign OS on a Mac and running PT in that. Why add another layer of complexity?

Or are you trying to install a Win OS to run whatever program? Most Win programs are available for OSX (except for games).

[25ghosts]

1) Who on earth would EVER wanna buy a Mac and put windows on it.
A PC with the same specs is 3 times cheaper.

2) OS X is superior to Windows in any aspect.

3) If you must run Windows on your Mac - for christ sake - DONT USE Windows 7. Use something which stood the test of time... Windows XP.

4) If you only need to get a few windows app to run and are not planning on using PT like that. Then use Paralles. Nice emulation. Although I cannot think of any reasons
why I would let a bug into my appartent

Windows 7 - he ,,, worse than XP

[musicman691]

Originally Posted by 25ghosts

1) Who on earth would EVER wanna buy a Mac and put windows on it.
A PC with the same specs is 3 times cheaper.

2) OS X is superior to Windows in any aspect.

3) If you must run Windows on your Mac - for christ sake - DONT USE Windows 7. Use something which stood the test of time... Windows XP.

4) If you only need to get a few windows app to run and are not planning on using PT like that. Then use Paralles. Nice emulation. Although I cannot think of any reasons
why I would let a bug into my appartent

Windows 7 - he ,,, worse than XP

But with Parallels you still need a Winblows OS.
I've spent way too much time with MS operating systems. The more I do the more I like my Mac - been with them since the Apple 1. Actually been a dual-OS user for more years than I care to think and I'm at the point in my life I don't care to put up with the Windows gotchas. That's why I can't understand for the life of me those who would buy a Mac and then muck it up.

[tigerman]

Originally Posted by 25ghosts

1) Who on earth would EVER wanna buy a Mac and put windows on it.
A PC with the same specs is 3 times cheaper.

yep sure, my purpouse is not to use pro tools under windows bootcamp, i'm not masochist!!!

As i HAD to buy a MAC for my work i was thinking about using it also for fun (games?), so i should sell my PC tower and just reboot in bootcamp when i want to relax and have fun with some videogames.

Basically doing this is impossible:
1 - Mac Pro PSU is too little and there is NO WAY to use a bigger one, so i cannot use a gtx295 because of Watt shortage.
2 - OSX has major problems recognizing a gtx 295, you have to hack and install some hackintosh drivers to let it work, if you are lucky.
3 - It looks that mac displayport has problems running monitors at 120hz (for 3d stereoscopic gaming), fortunately there is still a DVI port, btw i haven't tested it (also because with the macpro video card i will do 2 fps, a slideshow!!)

also i took 1 day to install windows 7 on this mac, i usually take 30 minutes to install over a normal pc. now it works but i have to keep pro-tools card disabled under device options... in addition it doesn't see my RAID 0 disks formatted in OSX even with hfs explorer.. too bad!! i should try macdrive..
(not to mention that even protools doesn't want to work on raid 0, i have a separate disk for saving pt projects!!).

2) OS X is superior to Windows in any aspect.

the eternal windows vs mac fight, please tell me an application that runs faster on osx than windows on the same machine.
Native Instruments Reaktor goes about 50% slower on osx
It's useless to have a better operating system if the programmers does bad portings!!

Many years ago i bought a macbook G4, more than 2k euros, i had to sell it after 1 week cause was too slow with reaktor and i cannot use for my livesets, i bought a dell (pentium 4 3,4ghz) for half of the price and the same ensemble was using about 30% processor in windows.

Also, there are no options on osx, you cannot disable anything, no services, no Bios, no overlclock, it's the most unaccessible operating system of all times, you have to use it as is, if there's something you don't like, or doesn't works, you cannot change it, unless you are a Unix engineer and you start hacking stuff by yourself.
For example... i hate that damned DOCK, i don't want it!!! no way remove it, just hide, also no way to move it where i want, i have 2 monitors i would like to put it on the other monitor but i can't.
No tweaks, no party !!

Do we have to talk about Turbo Boost ? it doesn't works on osx, there is no utilities that tells me that it's not really working but the tests i've done clearly demonstrate that is NOT working.
Also "Processor" panel on 10.5.8 in this machine is bugged, if i turn off Hyperthreading it says i have 2 processors active instead of 4 so logic recognizes only 2 processors, i cannot use it, and there is no other way to manage processors and HT on OSX.

We can talk also about video refresh on osx, does anyone know why the hell since osx is born there is a framelimit to the display? I guess the refresh is stucked at 30fps, why?!?!?
I remember very well that Logic meters was more responsive in OS9 than NOW.
Also Reaktor visuals in Windows are a lot more fluid and smoothy, and it's not a matter of cpu, it's osx that caps the display fps when is in 2d.

Also we had to wait 10.5.x to be able to share an entire disk with Samba, fortunately there was sharepoint, but i consider that issues unacceptable for a serious operating system.
we had to wait till 10.4.x (or 10.3? can't remember) to be able to use a password for the system longer than 8 characters, on previous system even if you had wrote it longer only the first 8 chars was counted. it was safe indeed!!

Should we talk about Audiounit plug-in format? or RTAS format? versus VST?
both AU and RTAS has no midi out, AU is really new, nobody at apple has thougth to add a damned midi out capability? this sucks really.
I cannot use for example Reaktor as sequencer to control other plug-ins, unless i open my dear Bidule and use the VST version that obviously HAS a midi out!!

We can talk also about flash ? why flash on osx sucks so much? even porns on youporn are slow!!! with a NEHALEM CPU!! Now tell me if i have to reboot to windows to do a wank!! (i'm sarcastic obviously, and i'm married also)

OSX could be better than windows, but the lack of options, softwares, and bad programming of multi-platform applications makes it worst, i'm sorry for mac fans. i use both since ages, 15 years maybe ? OS9 was BETTER than windows, osx not.

3) If you must run Windows on your Mac - for christ sake - DONT USE Windows 7. Use something which stood the test of time... Windows XP.

agree, pro-tools must be run into osx, btw XP it's older so you have more chance to reach the stability with that than with win7 that is only a couple of months old, if you want to work and not to workaround bugs and issues use it on OSX!! You should read at least what is supported and what is not supported in pro-tools under compatibility sheets on digi website, i don't think win7 is already supported..

4) If you only need to get a few windows app to run and are not planning on using PT like that. Then use Paralles. Nice emulation. Although I cannot think of any reasons
why I would let a bug into my appartent

well they sell you a mac telling you can use windows in bootcamp, i just want to use a feature that apple itself claim it's working.

Windows 7 - he ,,, worse than XP

lol, win 7 is the first operating system of the history where performance (pure CPU calculations) are better than the previous ones, and i have tests in my hands, i don't talk just to talk.
It's the first time that ms releases an operating system really Faster than the previous.
Based on the test i've done it's faster than XP and Vista obviously, dunno about 98, probably 98 is still faster.

I would like to see if snow leopard is really faster than leopard... xbench is waiting for me :)
usually more features , more stuff, more services, more tasks = less performance.
MS had done a great job with win7.
I hope i can say the same for apple and his snow leopard (even if i can't use it because of logic tdm, i'm stuck on pt8.0.1 and 10.5.8, and i have just bought it!!) btw i don't want to judge snow leopard performance right now, cause i have no tests in my hands (yet)

I am still on mac boat because of Logic, and Pro-Tools, currently i'm trying to use both togheter, as they dropped tdm support for logic...
As of today if logic will be available again for PC i will kick this mac out of the window instantly, followed by pro-tools cards...
The most clever thing Steve Jobs has done with Apple is to buy Emagic, he has jailed me into his computers, nice move!!

[25ghosts]

1) I can jerk off just fine using a Nehalem. But there are better sites than Youtube for such.

2) IT sounds as if you know VERY little about UNIX... Get in there and you will be able to tweak the living S*** out of Snow L.

3) If you love windows so much and only stick to mac for the reason of Logic.
Why dont you buy a PC and run OS X on that. It is possible and then you would not have to fool around with Mac trying to make it run Win. Easy peasy. You are upside down here.

4) I too know both worlds. And if you know your code you can tweak OS X in 500.000 ways more than Windows. Bios.... Hehe. UNIX baby - OS X in nothing but pure UNIX with a gorgeous interface. Open your terminal and do a "sudo ls -a on the boot drive.... That will open up windows that microsoft dont even know exist.

[tigerman]

Originally Posted by 25ghosts

1) I can jerk off just fine using a Nehalem. But there are better sites than Youtube for such.

2) IT sounds as if you know VERY little about UNIX... Get in there and you will be able to tweak the living S*** out of Snow L.

3) If you love windows so much and only stick to mac for the reason of Logic.
Why dont you buy a PC and run OS X on that. It is possible and then you would not have to fool around with Mac trying to make it run Win. Easy peasy. You are upside down here.

4) I too know both worlds. And if you know your code you can tweak OS X in 500.000 ways more than Windows. Bios.... Hehe. UNIX baby - OS X in nothing but pure UNIX with a gorgeous interface. Open your terminal and do a "sudo ls -a on the boot drive.... That will open up windows that microsoft dont even know exist.

yes, that's the point, you need to be a unix programmer to tweak osx, while you don't need to be a programmer of anything to tweak windows.
apple wants to do a user friendly OS but the time you want to do something that apple hasn't think of you are f____d.
I know very very little of unix language, so i have to learn unix to remove the dock? it's not what i call user friendly!!!
in os9 we had extensions, i want extension manager back!!!
Also i hate permissions, i want to disable all permissions on all disks, i don't want that feature, it only bust balls!!
last time i've tried setting all permission to all files i had to format

My idea was to use hackintosh at first.. but i was scared about pro-tools TDM cards and stability so i've bought this (overpriced) mac.
I've already installed succesfully hackintosh over this pc i'm writing on right now just for fun, it was perfect, and overclocked, maybe faster than the lowest mac pro available in the apple store, with about 500 euro hardware :P

I don't say i'm not working fine with mac, i just say that it's less user friendly than windows, and most of third party applications are slower than on windows... that's the main problem basically.

So here i am Unix, i will beat you!!!

so there is a way to remove the display refresh cap on osx ?
and to remove the dock? (or move it where i want).
and to disable hyperthread also? (without using "processor" utility)
and to check cpu frequency in real time ?
and maybe to activate turbo boost aswell ??

[Sean Russell]

Windoze sucks.

There, I said it.

Didn't even need to read all the banter. Welcome to the MacOSX PTHD forum.

Stop trying to install a broken OS on a perfectly good machine.

Continue on with your BS reasoning of why you think you should be able to run a crippled, forlorn OS on an already variable-dependent specialized system (PT).