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Re: Paid Structure Fix?!? Without Morals, Avid is Not Digidesign
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and what makes you think that someone cannot be both a lawyer and a recording professional, by the way? in any event, the interpretation of the law is down to the trier of fact. there are jury instructions and so forth. the "recording professionals" / plaintiffs have the cause of action and the facts that the law is applied to. not that a class action would not be effective or useful, but i don't know that i would start there. all that would likely be necessary in a simple matter such as this would be for people who had been wronged to simply demand a refund [not on this board, but in writing to the dealer or manufacturer]. do it in such a way that you have a record of the demand, and give them a reasonable length of time to respond in writing. you do it without a bunch of "we hate you digi and you are going to fail miserably if you don't fix everything right away" rhetoric. it is not world war 3, it is just a simple, little, everyday refund. if they don't give you a refund, then you file a little small claims action [costs only a few dollars, and you get your costs back when you win], and / or talk to the better business bureau. if you are really poor and cannot pay anything to file the small claims action, you can get a fee waiver. people doing that, and without a mob mentality, will mean a million times more to them than all the ranting and raving on this board. it may be a small matter to some, but it appears a part of a pattern and practice that is improper, as far as i can see. so what you want to accomplish is to show them that the improper practice is not going to work for them anymore, and that it will cost them. a class action, or a regular civil suit could be brought, by the way, and i think it would be successful. it happens all the time. for some people it may be appropriate if they have sufficient damages to claim. Quote:
if its not something you want to spend your time worrying about, fine. but you are here being underfoot, defending digidesign against good people that simply want what they paid for, or a refund. Quote:
if they were in bankruptcy or something like that, then maybe it would make sense to cut your losses. but companies go in and out of "good times" as a matter of routine, and people cannot be made to waive their rights to basic fair dealing based on a company's fortunes and misfortunes, many of which are generally of the company's own making. and it is obviously simple conjecture on your part, your "analysis" of certain "signs". respectfully, i would say that you may very well have no idea exactly what is going on with avid, unless you are on the board of directors, a major stockholder, or otherwise privy to their current "plan of action". so none of that nonsense would even be properly before a court unless digi filed some sort of bankruptcy proceeding. it would not be relevant to issue, i.e. the fact that they allegedly took money without providing the promised product or service. |
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Re: Paid Structure Fix?!? Without Morals, Avid is Not Digidesign
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That's my guess... |
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The part about going elsewhere and being happy with PT - my intention was to say if you are unhappy with this thread and don't agree with those posting, perhaps staying away from it would be an option. Didn't mean any more than that, and I'm sorry if I've offended you. |
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Re: Paid Structure Fix?!? Without Morals, Avid is Not Digidesign
Okay, 'steal' was a bad word choice. 'Exact' would have worked better. The puzzling thing is why you and a small minority are intent on defending what the vast majority are convinced is an unethical policy as relates to the Structure functionality and upgrade.
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By 'address' I didn't mean so much a forum reply as a favorable decision/action toward the users in question. |
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Re: Paid Structure Fix?!? Without Morals, Avid is Not Digidesign
You have to keep their response (or lack thereof) in perspective. From their 2009 SEC filing (Google is your friend):
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My jr hi comment was addressing your statement that we could go to Logic or Cubase if we felt inclined. That seems like an immature/shortsighted response to users who have what the majority think is a legitimate gripe. Perhaps you meant something different from the obvious?
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Re: Paid Structure Fix?!? Without Morals, Avid is Not Digidesign
Sorry to repeat myself, but if I got rid of Pro Tools HD now or in the next 5 years, I might as well take a sledgehammer to my Neve 1073s, because my studio would be out of business within 2 weeks. I WOULD HAVE ZERO BUSINESS, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. There is no work in NYC mixing, tracking or using Logic or anything else besides Pro Tools HD. I get hundreds of PT session each year. I get about two Logic session and maybe four DP sessions yearly.
I'm here with the protestors because Avid is my "home company" and would hate to see them really sour, turning into something truly horrific like NI. Digidesign has treated me very well until the last couple of years....historically a truly top tier company.
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I guess my ulterior motive is to keep our eyes on the big picture. 8.x fixes and not get sidetracked by 49.00 worth of "principles". But hey, it is "our" forum and you can beat the horse as hard as you like. SB |
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