Why Native vs. DSP Cards?

[justindbutler]

Can someone break this down for me? Or point me towards a thread that explains this more thoroughly? If I have a pretty powerful processor in my computer (Intel Core i7-930 2.8Ghz 8M LGA1366) would it be advantageous to use a Native card vs. core/core accel cards? Can I add in extra process cards in addition to the native card later on down the line?

Please advise, and thank you in advance.

[Bill Denton]

It would help to know what you're doing, i.e. mixing and/or tracking, audio and/or post, large commercial studio vs project studio.

No personal knowledge, but from what I have read HD Native performance is better for mixing than for tracking, although a lot of people seem to be getting quite low latency when tracking.

And no, you can't add process cards with the HD Native card.

[Shan]

Originally Posted by justindbutler

...If I have a pretty powerful processor in my computer (Intel Core i7-930 2.8Ghz 8M LGA1366) would it be advantageous to use a Native card vs. core/core accel cards?

Yes. After using my HD Native system for almost a solid 8 weeks, I loathe going to a slow clunky TDM system. One couldn't pry it away from me. There's definitely a lot of false myths out there with native. A topic for a whole new thread.

Shane

[Filmusic]

i'm reading the results for folks who have taken the Native Card solution, all sounds impressive

i'm just trying to get my head around why a Native Card running HD9 is any better then PT 9 on a computer

I understand there are a handful of difs between 9 and HD 9 as far as options go

but this question is being asked for the purpose of attempting to gain an understanding in terms of performance - in the 'brute strenght' category (comparing the number of tracks and plugs performance between the two...as well as general responsiveness of the two systems)

i'm reading reports of folks flying (no doubt a comment of the positive general responsiveness of a native card)...i'd like to know what extra umph comes with a native card ...over a non-card PT 9 solution

any help anyone would care to offer will be greatly welcome

[nst7]

From what I understand, the Native card handles the I/O of the session, and apparently that's a bigger deal than it sounds in terms of taking load off the computer. Some people have posted that their power increases vs. running the exact same session off firewire or usb. The fact that it's PCI based apparently also increases stability and responsiveness.

Hopefully more users will jump in here.

[Filmusic]

this is what i'm looking for - as i'm certain others are as well

learning of the 'stuff' that makes a native card different in performance from an older tdm system will be really be helpful as well

[filosofem]

Originally Posted by Filmusic

learning of the 'stuff' that makes a native card different in performance from an older tdm system will be really helpful

Is the difference between HD Native and HD TDM processing power?

HD Native offers the same I/O Hardware as HD TDM. HD Native offers the same Peripheral Support as HD TDM. HD Native does not offer however the same HD TDM I/O. HD Native is limited to 64 I/O. TDM Plug-Ins?

Simplistically, apples verses apples, what does HD TDM DSP Cards offer over HD Native host processing power? Is host processing power reliable? Is it stable? Avid believes so. There would not be a HD Native solution otherwise. Can host processing power guarantee performance?

What about latency? We're not running year 2000 Pentium 4 Processors with 400 MHz Front Side Bus (FSB) speeds anymore. If anybody can detect latency at a Hardware Buffer Size of 32 Samples then perhaps they should be pioneering the final frontier without a spaceship, no?

Can host processing power deliver session performance whilst maintaining a 64 Sample or lower Hardware Buffer Size? Yes.

HD Native is only getting better.

[Raoul23]

I just upgraded from PT 9 LE to 9HD TDM and i couldnt be happier i spent 6 months debating weather to go HD native ot TDM and its been cheaper for me in the long run. Tracking with plugins on is great i dont have to mess with my buffer or anything like i did in le and rtas plugs.

Im very happy

[drumster]

Originally Posted by Raoul23

I just upgraded from PT 9 LE to 9HD TDM and i couldnt be happier i spent 6 months debating weather to go HD native ot TDM and its been cheaper for me in the long run. Tracking with plugins on is great i dont have to mess with my buffer or anything like i did in le and rtas plugs.

Im very happy

I don't think it'll be too long before alot of others who were in your position start doing the same thing. When you compare HD3 PCI to Native at a similar price, it's a no brainer. Congratulations on your new system!

[filosofem]

Originally Posted by Raoul23

Tracking with plugins on is great i dont have to mess with my buffer or anything like i did in le and rtas plugs.

You can track, edit and mix at an untouched hardware playback buffer of 64 samples on Pro Tools HD Native.