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Re: S3 AVB interface LATENCY is a problem..
Hey Guys,
The latency figures being mentioned sound pretty close to what I'd expect at 128. However, I am surprised PT12 is only letting you set the buffer to 128 samples minimum. I am going to look into why this is the case. I'd expect at least an option for 64. Currently, there is no Direct Monitoring path for S3 as some of you have called out. But, we are planning to add this in the future and provide more routing freedom with the I/O. The question came up regarding why 48V is enabled when choosing "In 1-2" for the monitor input. This is because we are essentially turning those mic inputs into line inputs (for monitor inputs) and we don't want anyone accidentally engaging 48V and risking damage to attached gear. For use as a standalone mic preamp I can see how this is a limitation though. We could provide an override function here - maybe SHIFT + In (48V) to engage 48V? Pad is also auto engaged because its now a line input. But, we could do SHIFT + Sel to override that as well. Thoughts? Regarding specs - overall excellent performance . See p270: http://akmedia.digidesign.com/suppor...uide_83069.pdf Hopefully, this info helps. We're aware that there are improvements to make to the I/O. What you're looking at now is really v1 which was intended to be basic audio interface with a highly usable monitoring section. But, please post any suggestions you have for the S3 I/O on the S3 Ideascale page! I'd love to hear them. Thanks,
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I will make some suggestions in the ideascale. These changes would make the S3 a winner. An option for lower buffer sizes in PT Adding direct monitoring Sample rates supported between 44.1khz to 192khz Kyle do you have any idea about timescale for changes? Regarding assigning mic inputs. I can see why the auto disable of 48v and adding a pad was part of the original S3l design. On gigs this could be a nightmare. The reason I was asking about this was due to me trying to find a workaround for direct monitoring of mic inputs in a tracking setup. eg I could buy a second avb audio interface (with direct dsp low latency monitoring) for headphone monitoring (Motu monitor8) and send the mic inputs into that when tracking. I know that most interfaces have mic amps so why not use them, but some don't (MOTU monitor 8 doesnt) and I thought it would be a good use of the S3s resources and save me buying two mic amps. Other issues I have found on using the S3 that Im concerned with - 1. Audio dropouts and clicks on playback. This is intermittent but a regular occurrence. I know that this could be an issue to do with my setup. But this only happens with S3 not with my other audio interface - steinberg mr813x (I cant use this comprehensively anymore with Yosemite- drivers will not be updated according to Steinberg) 2. When assigning a control to an encoder there is a very small lag, not terrible but enough of a lag to force me to slow down. eg assign a specific send to channel encoder and it is not instantaneously instantiated, start turning the knob too quickly and it doesn't respond. |
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Also has anyone else noticed the plastic peeling off from the sides of the console?
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peeling sides, mine is a week old so thankfully not yet!! Hope you can get it sorted. please vote for full sample rate support and others http://protools.ideascale.com/a/idea...ampaigns/14999 |
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So is the S3 actually usable for tracking? I'm doing some location recording tomorrow (I need to hear myself play) and I'm curious whether to give it a go or hire a 003. I guess it probably sounds better than the 003 but not if you can't play in time!
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Regarding dropouts and pops, I have been mixing this afternoon and I got an awful pop and dropout when I was in play and dragged the curser back to an earlier point in the timeline, this was really BAD. I have very large speakers and the popping sound was deafening, my speakers stopped working (not sure if this was because of the S3 or the power amp and speaker limiters kicking in) but not good at all. I have rebooted and all working again. But that was loud and could have damaged my speakers and ears. The popping was akin to switching on and off a mixer whilst still having your speakers and power amp switched on. Any ideas why this happened? |
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Anyway, good luck and look after your ears. And thanks for your advice, maybe I should hire an interface for this session.
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The problem isn't timing, it's weird phasing in the cans when tracking vocals. The singer hears her/his own voice "live" through his/her head, then again, slightly delayed, through the cans. That causes a phase-shifting effect. Some people don't care (or even seem to notice) while others are totally thrown off by it. Easily overcome by using even the most basic analog mixer to create a real-time headphone mix. |
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It is overcome by an analog mixer, but most audio interfaces of today are designed to replace the need for an analog mixer, ie with unnoticeable latencies and good quality preamps etc, and they are surpassing them with features such as dsp reverbs, compressors, digital recall etc. What I am saying really is that the S3 is advertised as having an audio interface and I think it should work like most modern designed ones do. It doesn t have to be the lowest latency or the most feature rich, just has to work well. For £4k it really should. It sounds like the designers are making efforts to make it work, but how long will it take to sort it out? |
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