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Old 09-18-2016, 11:23 PM
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Basically if you have the choice you still want no Fusion drives for PT because as mentioned by Darryl already it´s the design,
the way how the Fusion drive system does work PT -doesn´t like a lot- at the least.

Even if some things may have been fixed and some people got it going successfully out there you may not want to buy it for a
brand new Pro Tools system. Always go for the PCie Flash drives which are perfectly fine for professional audio/video work.
If you need a lot of storage space and/or cannot afford the large Apple Flash drives just get a smaller Flash drive for the system only
and get an external USB 3 or Thunderbolt drive with large storage space for your audio and your samples. 7200rpm HDD (Western
Digital Blacks are really cheap yet the best HDDs for Pro Tools) or SATA SSDs (Samsung 850 Evos are of good quality, very fast and
relatively cheap these days). Get it into an external USB 3 enclosure and you are good to go.

https://www.amazon.com/Inateck-Inch-...losure+2.5+SSD

https://www.amazon.com/Black-750GB-P...ital+black+2.5

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-850-E...amsung+850+Evo

https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Exter...re+3.5+usb+3.0

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Perform...+Digital+Black

If you prefer Thunderbolt over USB 3 and need tons of storage space for less money yet fast enough for Pro Tools these will be good,
reliable yet fast ones too (about 180mb/sek...which is fine for a HDD, PT standard req for audio/samples etc still is 7200rpm/Firewire
800 which gives you about 70mb/sek at the max).
https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Lacie/9000492U/
https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Lacie/9000493U/

So if you cannot afford Apple´s 1TB Flash drives which are fantastic and worth the money for sure but still quite expensive just get a
basic 256GB Flash drive for your system and all the apps and get one (or more) external drive solutions like described above.
Will be way better than any Fusion drives for the use with Pro Tools at the end of the day.

Cheers.
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You will L O V E the SSD drive technology, its smoking fast and stable as anything.
Ditto!
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Old 10-01-2016, 08:22 PM
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Default Re: iMac upgrade. SSD or Fusion drive?

In continuation with the discussion. I've lost the chance to buy iMac with SSD from the first post, bugger. Will either have to wait till the next opportunity arise or look into other options.

Does anyone use iMac 27" 5k late 2015? Are they good for PT? Different CPU. Can it cause any issues? Extremely high resolution, any lags or issues with that? AMD for video instead of Nvidia as well.

Obviously if I buy this iMac I'm forced to move to PT12 but maybe it's time... Although PT11HD is rock solid and does all I want.

Why, oh why Apple don't allow to install older OSX on their latest iMacs
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Old 10-02-2016, 12:18 PM
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In continuation with the discussion. I've lost the chance to buy iMac with SSD from the first post, bugger. Will either have to wait till the next opportunity arise or look into other options.

Does anyone use iMac 27" 5k late 2015? Are they good for PT? Different CPU. Can it cause any issues? Extremely high resolution, any lags or issues with that? AMD for video instead of Nvidia as well.
Obviously if I buy this iMac I'm forced to move to PT12 but maybe it's time... Although PT11HD is rock solid and does all I want.

Why, oh why Apple don't allow to install older OSX on their latest iMacs
Why not consider getting a 15" Mid 2014 Macbook Pro i7 Quad 2,5 or 2,8GHz (it's the best Macbook Pro recommendation for PT11/12 by Avid btw) and use it with an external 27" HDMI monitor display? With those Mid 2014 MBP models you can use any version of OSX from Mavericks 10.9.4 on upwards if you want.
Further you could use the MBP stand alone for a mobile solution additionally. 2 in 1.
This is from the current Apple refurbished store New Zealand:
http://www.apple.com/nz/shop/product...Retina-Display
...this one got a 1TB Flash drive which is fantastic btw
http://www.apple.com/nz/shop/product...Retina-Display
...this one got the even stronger processor
http://www.apple.com/nz/shop/product...Retina-Display
...this one got the stronger processor AND the 1TB Flash drive

All 3 are really interesting options and have the Dual Graphic Engine which does work best with the current versions of PT. Worth checking out imo.

Connect a 27" HDMI monitor display to one of those, install Yosemite, El Capitan or Sierra on it and you got a great powerful current PT system. Just as a suggestion.

Cheers.

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Old 10-04-2016, 12:44 PM
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My internal drive is SSD on a late 2013 Mac Pro. I have a Samsung external SSD drive but they're not quite as fast as the internal.
When I had the older Macs, I can instal additional internal drives. What do you guys recommend or what I need so that I can have more "internal drives" with the newer Mac Pro (cylinder)?
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Old 10-04-2016, 02:19 PM
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My internal drive is SSD on a late 2013 Mac Pro. I have a Samsung external SSD drive but they're not quite as fast as the internal.
When I had the older Macs, I can instal additional internal drives. What do you guys recommend or what I need so that I can have more "internal drives" with the newer Mac Pro (cylinder)?
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You are right of course that even external Samsung SSDs are not as fast as those internal Flash drives.
So if you want it faster you may put PCie SSDs into something like your Magma ExpressBox (external Thunderbolt bay).
Such a one for example.
https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDPHWE2R960/
https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDPHW2R480U/

This will be a quite affordable external Thunderbolt 2 chassis. It has got 2 Thunderbolt 2 ports which allows you to daisy
chain up to 5 of them.
https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/HELIOS1TB2/

If you still have an unused slot in your Expressbox you may use it though.
Anyway this kinda solution may provide you similar disk speeds like the internal Apple Flash drives.

There was one external drive solution which were faster than all the others. Two PCie 500GB SSDs and Thunderbolt 2.
Up to 1100mb/s!
http://www.lacie.com/de/de/products/...thunderbolt-2/
http://uk.pcmag.com/lacie-little-big...-thunderbolt-2
However it was really expensive ($1299.-) and according to many reviews it got a pretty noisy fan.
This may be the reason why it is no longer sold as a new product.
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Old 10-04-2016, 02:38 PM
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Thanks so much for the valuable info, VRW!! So appreciate this. I asked the salesman at Sweetwater (where I purchased the Magma) and did not know if/that this chassis is not supported. Very excited that I do, in fact, now have this option!
Thanks again!!

*Edit* Just purchased the OWC 960GB Mercury Accelsior E2 PCI Express Solid State Drive.
So grateful for your info on this, VRW!
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Old 10-04-2016, 02:55 PM
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Thank you! The best of success to you!

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I'v never had a problem with fusion drive hosting Pro Tools vanilla on my late 2013 iMac. Its a 1TB fusion drive (7200 rpm + 128 gig SSD) and it has i7 processor

Of course I store all projects and samples on external thunderbolt SSDs and also use a slave PC with VEPro for orchestra stuff so I only really use Pro Tools, UAD stuff on the MAc so I think iMac knows to store Pro Tools and UAD stuff on the SSD portion of the fusion drive and there is never really a need to swap files back and forth between the fusion drive
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I'v never had a problem with fusion drive hosting Pro Tools vanilla on my late 2013 iMac. Its a 1TB fusion drive (7200 rpm + 128 gig SSD) and it has i7 processor

Of course I store all projects and samples on external thunderbolt SSDs and also use a slave PC with VEPro for orchestra stuff so I only really use Pro Tools, UAD stuff on the MAc so I think iMac knows to store Pro Tools and UAD stuff on the SSD portion of the fusion drive and there is never really a need to swap files back and forth between the fusion drive
The Fusion drive stores the files according to whatever gets used the most - you have no control over what gets stored where. And if you're thinking about going to High Sierra you are s.o.l with that Fusion drive.
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