Why is Pro Tools so sensitive

[Natanel Arnson]

I'm really sick of Pro Tools (9). I don't understand why whenever ANYTHING out of the ordinary goes wrong, it crashes. Kontakt crashes...pro tools crashes...to much ram used....pro tools crashes. Why can't Pro Tools just tell me to chill out on something, and keep going? I know this sounds babyish, but it really is perplexing why the developers didn't put some kind of buffer btw errors and pro toll's ability to function.

[sw rec]

If you'd post some details about your system (see sandra report above) we could probably help you sort this out. True, Pro Tools is finicky (one of my favorite engineers calls it a DIVA) but if you follow their recommendations with your hardware setup and DON'T TRY TO CUT ANY CORNERS it'll work quite nicely. I'm crazy busy in here, and wouldn't use ANYTHING that didn't get the job done. (Note that I went from 8 straight to 10, now on 11.1.3) Follow this link and get us a sandra report and let's see what we can figure out. Cuz it really does ROCK. http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=300050

[Natanel Arnson]

Sure, sorry, here is my SANDRA,

Chassis : Dell Desktop
Mainboard : Dell 084J0R
Serial Number : .HJC5HX1.CN7************
BIOS : Dell A09 02/01/2013
Intel vPro : 8.01.02.1318
Total Memory : 7.88GB DIMM DDR3

Processors
Processor : Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3330 CPU @ 3.00GHz (4C 3.1GHz, 3.1GHz IMC, 4x 256kB L2, 6MB L3)
Socket/Slot : FC LGA1155

Chipset
Memory Controller : Dell Core (Ivy Bridge) DRAM Controller 100MHz, 2x 4GB DIMM DDR3 1.6GHz 128-bit, Integrated Graphics

Memory Module(s)
Memory Module : Hynix (Hyundai) HMT451U6AFR8C-PB 4GB DIMM DDR3 PC3-12800U DDR3-1600 (11-11-11-29 5-40-13-6)
Memory Module : Hynix (Hyundai) HMT451U6AFR8C-PB 4GB DIMM DDR3 PC3-12800U DDR3-1600 (11-11-11-29 5-40-13-6)

Video System
Monitor/Panel : ACI VG248
(1920x1080, 30.2")
Video Adapter : Intel(R) HD Graphics (6CU 48SP SM5.0 350MHz/1GHz, 64MB DDR3 1.6GHz 128-bit, Integrated Graphics)

Graphics Processor
OpenCL GP Processor : Intel(R) HD Graphics (48SP 6C 350MHz/1GHz, 1.6GB DDR3 1.6GHz 128-bit, Integrated Graphics)
Compute Shader Processor : Intel(R) HD Graphics (48SP 6C 350MHz/1GHz, 64MB DDR3 1.6GHz 128-bit, Integrated Graphics)

Storage Devices
Seagate ST1000DM003-1CH162 (1TB, SATA600, 3.5", 7200rpm) : 932GB (C:) (Y:)
Samsung SSD 840 EVO 500GB (500.1GB, SATA600, SSD) : 466GB (S:)
Generic- Multi-Card (USB2) : N/A (E:)
WDC WD10JMVW-11AJGS0 (1TB, USB3/SATA300, 5400rpm, 8MB Cache) : 932GB (F:)
HL-DT-ST DVD+/-RW GHA2N (SATA150, DVD+-RW, CD-RW, 2MB Cache) : N/A (D:)

Logical Storage Devices
RECOVERY (Y:) : 25GB (NTFS) @ Seagate ST1000DM003-1CH162 (1TB, SATA600, 3.5", 7200rpm)
Samsung SSD (S:) : 466GB (NTFS) @ Samsung SSD 840 EVO 500GB (500.1GB, SATA600, SSD)
East West CCC 2 (F:) : 931GB (NTFS) @ WDC WD10JMVW-11AJGS0 (1TB, USB3/SATA300, 5400rpm, 8MB Cache)
OS (C:) : 907GB (NTFS) @ Seagate ST1000DM003-1CH162 (1TB, SATA600, 3.5", 7200rpm)
Removable Drive (E:) : N/A @ Generic- Multi-Card (USB2)
Optical Drive (D:) : N/A @ HL-DT-ST DVD+/-RW GHA2N (SATA150, DVD+-RW, CD-RW, 2MB Cache)

Peripherals
LPC Hub Controller 1 : Dell Panther Point LPC Controller
LPC Legacy Controller 1 : T2 87-72
Audio Device : Dell Panther Point High Definition Audio Controller
Disk Controller : Dell Panther Point 6 port SATA AHCI Controller
USB Controller 1 : Dell Panther Point USB xHCI Host Controller
USB Controller 2 : Dell Panther Point USB Enhanced Host Controller #2
USB Controller 3 : Dell Panther Point USB Enhanced Host Controller #1
SMBus/i2c Controller 1 : Intel ICH SMBus

Printers and Faxes
Printer : Send To Microsoft OneNote 2010 Driver (1200x1200, Colour)
Printer : Microsoft XPS Document Writer (600x600, Colour)
Printer : HP Universal Printing PCL 6 (v5.0) (1200x1200, Colour)
Fax : Microsoft Shared Fax Driver (200x200)

Peripherals

Network Services
Network Adapter : Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller (Ethernet, 1Gbps)
Wireless Adapter : Dell Wireless 1506 802.11b/g/n (2.4GHz)

Operating System
Windows System : Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 6.01.7601 (Service Pack 1)
Platform Compliance : x64

Windows Experience Index
Current System : 5.5

[Terry Wetzel]

sorry to disagree sw rec but I think you are wrong! Call it a diva or call it a pita! Makes no difference to me. I started out with M-audio I/O's quite a while ago and once past the beginners learning curve it was a pretty enjoyable experience. Even the Audiophile 2496 worked almost flawlessly. Then came Pro Tools 9 and nothing but problems since. At least for me. Avid should never have advertised, "Works with any Interface or no interface at all"! For you lucky ones who can afford the HD stuff, and I'm not saying all the problems go away with HD, there certainly seems to be a smoother and more trouble free operation! I've said before and I say again. A pro studio wouldn't last one week with Pro Tools 9 and Windows 7. But then again pros would have better sense!

[YYR123]

Originally Posted by Natanel Arnson

Chassis : Dell Desktop
Mainboard : Dell 084J0R
BIOS : Dell A09 02/01/2013
Intel vPro : 8.01.02.1318
Total Memory : 7.88GB DIMM DDR3

Processors
Processor : Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3330 CPU @ 3.00GHz (4C 3.1GHz, 3.1GHz IMC, 4x 256kB L2, 6MB L3)
Socket/Slot : FC LGA1155

So far so good.

Originally Posted by Natanel Arnson

Video System
Monitor/Panel : ACI VG248
(1920x1080, 30.2")
Video Adapter : Intel(R) HD Graphics (6CU 48SP SM5.0 350MHz/1GHz, 64MB DDR3 1.6GHz 128-bit, Integrated Graphics)

Graphics Processor
OpenCL GP Processor : Intel(R) HD Graphics (48SP 6C 350MHz/1GHz, 1.6GB DDR3 1.6GHz 128-bit, Integrated Graphics)

This is probably your culprit right here. CPU onboard graphics are not welcomed.....you have a desktop go get a $100 video card.....it may make a huge difference. It will definitely take a huge load off your CPU

Originally Posted by Natanel Arnson

Storage Devices
Seagate ST1000DM003-1CH162 (1TB, SATA600, 3.5", 7200rpm) : 932GB (C:) (Y:)
Samsung SSD 840 EVO 500GB (500.1GB, SATA600, SSD) : 466GB (S:)

This should be your C drive (your SSD).....personally and your 1TB seagate should be your Recording target.....imho . Not a deal breaker but that's what I would do.

Originally Posted by Natanel Arnson

WDC WD10JMVW-11AJGS0 (1TB, USB3/SATA300, 5400rpm, 8MB Cache) : 932GB (F:)

Don't use this for anything but a backup drive....severely under adequate. and trying to stream East West CCC off of this drive is asking for problems.........Let him who has an ear hear.

Originally Posted by Natanel Arnson

Logical Storage Devices
RECOVERY (Y:) : 25GB (NTFS) @ Seagate ST1000DM003-1CH162 (1TB, SATA600, 3.5", 7200rpm)
Samsung SSD (S:) : 466GB (NTFS) @ Samsung SSD 840 EVO 500GB (500.1GB, SATA600, SSD)
East West CCC 2 (F:) : 931GB (NTFS) @ WDC WD10JMVW-11AJGS0 (1TB, USB3/SATA300, 5400rpm, 8MB Cache)
OS (C:) : 907GB (NTFS) @ Seagate ST1000DM003-1CH162 (1TB, SATA600, 3.5", 7200rpm)

Operating System
Windows System : Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 6.01.7601 (Service Pack 1)

you should really update your Win7 - I believe service pack 3 is out...


and since we are at it....you really need to verify if you have done the Windows Optimizations. Important

[sw rec]

Hi Terry! One thing I haven't had to (or wanted to) do is even try a 3rd party interface. Quite happy with the old 003 console, which of course will become frikkin' obsolete if and when we get PT 12. So MY "EOS" could very conceivably be right here. And I also never tried PT9. Went from 8 on an 002 right to 10-11 on an 003. Hope YYR's suggestions help!

[YYR123]

Originally Posted by Terry Wetzel

Avid should never have advertised, "Works with any Interface or no interface at all"!

It was a decision that they made b/c everybody in music was asking for it....

They also needed to do it to stay relevant for a large swath of the market (ie everyone else besides Pro studios)

Imagine me wanting to use the cutting edge Saffire range interface (2009) and not being able to use PT with it....well I might just switch DaW's and Avid sure didn't want that, so it had to be done for better or worse

[Natanel Arnson]

Wow, YYR123, this is great, thanks! I'm actually gonna hopefully build a custom pc in a week or so, so I'll make sure to integrate your points when i set up the new system. I'm gonna have ssd's for ALL the drives then.

Really good point with the cpu graphics, didnt think of that. I already picked out a good one for the new pc.

Also, what do you mean by "windows optimizations"? Can you point me somewhere that will guide me?

[sw rec]

http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/T...oting/en367983

[zedhed]

For anyone contemplating building a custom computer I'd suggest they first read this, or at least toward the end of the thread (latest info) since it is so long.
http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=238426