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Re: new pro tools is not as good
I'm not on 10 yet, but I'm monitoring the ongoing development of 10 HDX pretty closely. I've demoed 10, and I loved it, but I didn't once think about float vs fixed, and how that potentially could be better or worse. It may very well be that I'm ignorant, but that's not a selling point for me.
Clip gain, AS handles, the CS plugin, disk cache and real-time fades - those are the improvements that appeal to me. The general zippyness of PT 10 also made it better to work with for me. My 2,- NOK
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Is 32bit FP problematic? Yes but so is the TDM mixer. The reality is more complex than simply saying the TDM mixer is better than the 32bit float mixer. There are plenty of other threads on this subject for you to educate yourself but you appear to have started this thread for an argument rather than for sharing or learning. G |
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Yeah, they're implementing some software features that are new to pro tools, and many of those have been available in other platforms for some time. They have to stay "with it".
But they always do that. I think the real, big improvement is going to happen when they get all that going in 64 bit. That would seem to me to be the time to buy in. Let them get the new features worked in and all that de-bugged in the "transition version". Otherwise, hey, its avid, you can be the first one on your block, and they'll be glad to sell it to you twice. : ) You can even have a "special hardware upgrade trade-in deal". : ) |
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"Not to be a downer or anything, but I see and hear a lot of spin, from Avid, and from others, about how the "new 32 bit floating point" mixer is an improvement."
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, sir (or madam). Go troll gearslutz with this flame bait... |
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I personally don't give a rat's ***** about 48 vs 32.
All I know is I got 10 when I bought a new system, it sounds great, and there are other features that make it worthwhile to me as well. 11 will be better, I'm sure. But 10 is what we have, and it is what it is. I do love the didactics of the post though. Being talked down to by a know-it-all is my favorite Sunday morning activity.
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What you don't realize, perhaps, is that 32 bit float also has only 24 bits of precision, and it cannot be dithered. So you are stuck with truncation or rounding, and each time the significand changes you throw more quantization error into the calculation. The quantization error in floating point is not limited to the lsb area, it gets written into the file at much higher amplitudes also, and dither is neither practical nor effective there. Quote:
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Let me guess. You bought a brand new P.T. 10 system, right? : ) |
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OMG, he is back. For anyone taking the bait, do yourselves a favor and look back at old posts from the great MD-baiter.
I am going to sit on the sidelines and watch the debacle unfold. ff |
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I always find it amusing when someone who is willing to spend thousands of dollars on a software audio editor says that they don't give a rat's ass about the audio path, as if that were just a minor detail. I guess as long as you get some free plugins it all sounds good to you, huh? But anyhow, if you were buying pro tools for the first time, then you probably just bought the current version without a second thought. I guess you could have saved some money by buying a used TDM rig, but for upgrade purposes into the real 64 bit version, you may have been better off doing just what you did. |
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Many in my area are still on the fence about upgrading to HD10 because of not being 64bit and limited "plug ins" available... I also believe there's a lot spin going around....
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Not saying that you can't make a record with it, btw. I just think they are in marketing overdrive, and they are asking for a lot of money, considering.... |
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