Any suggestions (drums)?

[musicman691]

Originally Posted by jofo

It was the same mics, same setup, same studio.

As I recall you said earlier you didn't use some of the close mics right? If that's right then you can't even begin to get close to what the 'pro' mixer did. And for my clarification as it's still unclear - you didn't use the tracks the other guy used right but your own recording right? What I'm trying to get at is how exactly did you get the tracks you mixed?

[JFreak]

Originally Posted by jofo

It was the same mics, same setup, same studio.

Then just learn to mix properly. If there was a same mixer doing the same tricks, there would be the same result, or at least very close.

[JFreak]

Originally Posted by jofo

basically mics everything the same way for all his sessions, which are 99% jazz

Without knowing the mics or mic placement or the playing style of the drummer, I'd say take one overhead mic and compress s*it out of it and try to make the close mics blend... and first make it sound good MONO, only then try to make it wide.

[jofo]

Originally Posted by musicman691

As I recall you said earlier you didn't use some of the close mics right? If that's right then you can't even begin to get close to what the 'pro' mixer did. And for my clarification as it's still unclear - you didn't use the tracks the other guy used right but your own recording right? What I'm trying to get at is how exactly did you get the tracks you mixed?

John the drummer recorded at Studio A a few months back. He then took his raw drum tracks to Studio B to have them mixed/mastered. That is mp3 1.

John the drummer also recorded my music at Studio A recently. Same mic placement, same engineer, same settings as the first one. mp3 2 are those drums tracks in the process of being mixed by me.

Originally Posted by JFreak

Then just learn to mix properly. If there was a same mixer doing the same tricks, there would be the same result, or at least very close.

Agreed. I know this can take years to learn. Just trying my best...

Originally Posted by JFreak

Without knowing the mics or mic placement or the playing style of the drummer, I'd say take one overhead mic and compress s*it out of it and try to make the close mics blend... and first make it sound good MONO, only then try to make it wide.

Thank you. This is the kind of info I'm looking for as a place to start.

[JFreak]

You're welcome.

And one more thing; once you're done with the widening, listen to it again MONO and make sure it still sounds as punchy as you want it to. Everything must work well MONO, because (hate it or not) most music is experienced more monaural than you think.

[jofo]

https://soundcloud.com/user571610070/drumsnew4

Here's a new mix with different levels; bringing in the close mics more, adding compression, etc.
I think it's getting closer....I haven't addressed the toms yet....need to work on that bass drum....

[JFreak]

Originally Posted by jofo

need to work on that bass drum....

You need to have boom, smack, and click.

First try to boost 50-60Hz or everything below 100Hz, whichever sounds better to you. Then boost at about 3-5kHz range to get that smack. You might also want to compliment it with a slight boost at about 6-8kHz range to get that click.

What you don't want is mud, so cut at about 250-400Hz range to make it sound nice.

Remember, I have not heard your raw track, these are just starting points.