Real-Time Bounce to Disk...REAL PAIN

[ed13adema]

Originally Posted by alx002

Hooo so LIVE , LOGIC , CUbase , DP do not have plugins in REALTIME????


This not the good argument

From my understanding no. That is why those other programs will always have latency
That is also why it is harder to program RTAS plug ins and VIs

[daeron80]

Originally Posted by steppenwolf68

why shouldn't an newly rewritten Pro Tools be able to do it ?

Unfortunately, that's just it. It will need to be completely rewritten, from the ground up. For a program of this complexity, that's a herculean task. And it may mean a complete break - no backward compatibility. It's quite a corner they're in. I hope they've been working on it for a long time and it's nearly ready. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Darney]

Originally Posted by Brian in Charlotte

I continue to be amazed that Digi will not change this. Cubase, Audio Audition, STRATA and many other audio editing systems render audio much faster than real time with no issues. This is a complete and utter frustration because time is totally waisted waiting for the bounce to complete.

Will they ever change this?

Brian in Charlotte
www.VoiceOverforyou.com
LE 7, PowerMac G5 Dual
1.5 RAM, Digi 002

I will chime in with those who don't mind the real-time bounce. While it's certainly not intentional on Avid's part, the chance to give the mix one more listen is critical. More than once I've started bouncing and quickly realized that the drum tracks were still solo'ed.

And a 55 minute bounce? What? Someone's still doing Grateful Dead songs?

[Numi]

I like the idea of being able to sit down and listen to the final mix, one last time. This is nice, although...it is not a "feature" to have to wait for it...like some would have you to believe.

Now, many people use PT's for things other than producing platinum records. Those people like myself, would like the "Option(feature)" to do a quick bounce down for other purposes.

It's sad when people argue against having a feature for personal convience implemented because of loyality rather than rationallity.

Eitherway, I still prefer this DAW to all the other's I have used.

[daeron80]

Originally Posted by Darney

And a 55 minute bounce? What? Someone's still doing Grateful Dead songs?

I wish! Consider how much audio you hear that is not straight up music production. Radio, TV, film, promotional videos, conferences, lectures, interviews, podcasts, etc. Lots of need for long bounces.

[Dizzi45Z]

Of course I am a fan of FTRT bounces. With voice over work, I just use an all in one plug-in such as the Renaissance Channel Strip. Then I only have to bounce the parts that are being mixed with music and apply Audio Suite on the sections that are just voice.

In any case, I really hope that FTRT bouncing comes soon.

[BRH]

I think all the whiners and complainers need to go back to r-r tape.

[Dizzi45Z]

Originally Posted by BRH

I think all the whiners and complainers need to go back to r-r tape.

No doubt we are spoiled now days with the technology we have. But comments like this are just hindering to the progress of technology. If something can be better, we shouldn't have to commit ourselves with "old school" technology. As shown by all the other DAWs, FTRT bouncing can be very very helpful and Pro Tools is behind in this area.

Of course, your comment is to remind us how lucky we are with current technology. Indeed we are. Point taken.

Anyways, I'm not worried. If FTRT bouncing isn't released with the next version or two of Pro Tools, I would be very surprised.

[Bob Olhsson]

Most of us do need to listen to our mixes.

If you record the mix into a track as you listen, you can stop and fix any problems you encounter, punch back into the mix track and when you're all done, consolidate and export the audio. You can even comp between different mixes in different playlists.

This work-flow is much faster and more precise than any kind of a bounce.

[Darney]

Originally Posted by daeron80

I wish! Consider how much audio you hear that is not straight up music production. Radio, TV, film, promotional videos, conferences, lectures, interviews, podcasts, etc. Lots of need for long bounces.

Hehehe.. yeah David! I was being facetious. But judging by your previous posts, you know that.

I have to agree with the comments about Avid have to redesign PT from the ground up to incorporate "render to disk" as an option. Because of the use of DAE as an integral part of the processing functions, that's what's going to have to happen. And as others have pointed out, this presents a HUGE challenge to backwards compatibility.
The other issue, as has been mentioned several times, is the option of using external devices as part of the I/O chain.. the software will have to be able to track ANY and every instance of I/O being used as a plug-in, buss send, etc. and then disable the render to disk function or at least have a pop-up warning the user that those tracks will not have audio.

It's all very complicated. How does Logic, Cubase, etc. handle the last problem for those who are using them??