Master Fade & Master Plug Ins

[Kenny Gioia]

Does anybody know of anyway to use Master plugins on the Master fader in some pre-fader mode.

The problem is, as you fade the song (at the end) the mix is not hitting the compressor and other plug ins on the master fader as hard.

Therefore the fade sounds weird sometimes.

I know I can buss all tracks to an aux and send that to the master but that seems dumb.

[blake eat world]

when you find everything sounds the way you like bounce the compression

[snoopy]

I thought I was the only one who noticed that

Standard insertion on mix buss is pre fader, but protools is post. I've always wondered why, maybe they can shed some light.

[snoopy]

Just as I submitted last post, it occured to me that the master fadter controls both its input and output, i think, that would explain why when you fade, the input to the compressor (or whatever) goes down. Or maybe I'm wrong.

[Peter Duemmler]

The best solution would be if the inserts were switchable between pre/post...
On the master fader it´d be pre for all processing but dither, which should be post fader.

Peter

[Jules]

here is some 'reason' for this but like you guys, I find it a PITA.
How about an AUTO FADE PLUG IN? (got to be so simple to do...)
Like on the end of an SSL compressor, timed fades, varius curves, manual over-ride. It would take up an insert slot but be V F handy!

Jules

[Studio Dweller]

Originally posted by snoopy:
I thought I was the only one who noticed that

Standard insertion on mix buss is pre fader, but protools is post. I've always wondered why, maybe they can shed some light.

The reason is this. Let's say you have a dithering plug-in set to 16 bits as the last plug on the master. If the insert was pre-fader and you move the fader, you're now doing an additional DSP process after the dithering plug-in. This would negate the benefits of dithering. I generally prefer to bounce to 24 bits without any plug-ins on the master and then import the 24 bit mix into a new mastering session. I'll do fades on the 2-channel mix using the "Fade" command and then put the appropriate plug-ins on the master.

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Larry Bentley
Cellar Dweller Productions
www.cellardweller.com

[Steve MacMillan]

Assign all your mix channels to a buss pair instead of outputs. Then you can fade an aux return of your mix buss, assigned to your main outputs. A compressor on the aux return will be post fader. You can still have a Master fader for the mix busses if you need to bring your mix levels down (pre aux return).

sm

[snoopy]

Dweller

That part is well understood, but what we are wondering, is why there isn't an option to put some plugins pre-fader (or have an option to choose somehow). It would be more convenient than bussing everything, especially if you are already bussing lots of things (gets hairy).

[PeeTee]

You folks do your own fade outs? Don't you leave anything for the mastering engineer?