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NY/Parallel Compression - Questions
I've been trying to implement this technique but I don't think I'm getting the results I'm looking for. I record instrumental rock, hip hop and funk, and I want my drums as aggressive as possible.
There may be variations of this technique, but I'll list what I do in case there's a problem with my set up:
Secondly, any time I'm approaching the sound I'm looking for, I'm clipping the master. In order not to clip the master, I lower the sends or original track faders. My worry is that I'm not pushing the compressor. Although I'm able to make-up 5-7db of gain, should I worry that the output of the compressor/aux tracks are not near 0db? If it makes a difference, I'm using either samples or drum machines for my drums. Anyone have a better variation of parallel compression? Anyone have an alternative to parallel compression?
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Re: NY/Parallel Compression - Questions
I've done this with good results, but your setup seems a bit confusing and I've never had level problems. I do this:
When I include the bass in the mix, it tends to reduce the low-end definition for me, but it probably depends on the song arrangement.
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Re: NY/Parallel Compression - Questions
The technique I've seen used most (usually on SSL boards) is all your tracks are routed eq'd and compressed to your taste to the master. Then a buss sends all the drums to a stereo comp with faster attacks and release to blend in with the original singal in master buss as well. Some people send the bass too and I've also seen sub mixes built in the same manner for everything else. I've tried or seen anyone do it they way you speak of, although I've heard of it, people floating the whole mix and only sending the subs to the master.
Or I've heard of mixing the way you normally would, then sending a pre-buss with unaffected signal to the master as well, thus blending in your unprocessed with your processed signal, I think this was a British origination.
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Re: NY/Parallel Compression - Questions
Thanks for the quick reaponse!
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Both your aux tracks are bussed to the same inputs? You didn't say, but I assume you're disabling the compressor on one of the aux tracks since you refer to it as uncompressed. Are your sends to both aux tracks post or pre? I've seen it done that way, but what's the theory behind the low & hi shelf? I guess to control the extreme lows and highs after compression. I usually only send the kick and snare, but maybe I'll try sending the entire kit. Do you think that helps glue things together? Ohhhhhhh! You're controllig the compressed signal with the aux fader. I've been doing it with the sends, and had the compressed aux track fader at unity. That could be problem #1. Are your sends to both aux tracks at unity? Are you sending the original tracks, uncompressed aux and compressed aux all to the master? What do you mean by "link the 2 tracks"? And how are you doing that?
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[/QUOTE] Create a mix a group (Cmd-G I think). Then you can adjust the level of your "mastered" drum mix easily, while maintaining the balance between compressed and dry signals.
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Thanks for the response!
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Re: NY/Parallel Compression - Questions
I wonder if both my aux tracks use the same 2 buses. This is part of my templates, so I haven't paid much attention to that since I set it up. I'll have to double check that this evening.
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Re: NY/Parallel Compression - Questions
I do it pretty much like davetron does.
First I get a good drum mix going, compressors & EQ's on individual drums if neccesary, reverb\fx sends on each track so I can have control over the amount of verb on each drum. Once I have a good overall drum sound I assign the output of every drum track to Bus 1-2 (for example), which pulls them out of the master stereo bus, and setup two stereo aux tracks to receive input from Bus 1-2. This is effectively sending Post Fader signals to the two aux tracks since I believe it's the actual aux sends that can be set at Pre\Post Fader, not the buses (correct me if i'm wrong)(which is good because I want to preserve the mix that I already did). Once I have this setup I use the two aux faders to control my blend. Usually I just leave one aux track with no plugins and the other has a compressor smashing the hell out of the signal. Blend to taste. The only time I put a compressor on the clean aux and bypass it is if I am using a plugin (such as T-Racks) that causes latency and puts the two stereo aux's out of phase with each other. Sometimes I choose to eq the two stereo subgroups & bus them to the verb also. This setup can work great with other sources too, try it out with vocals, bass, gtr. You might be pleasantly suprised.
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Either way, this might be what I need to glue my drums together. I've been sending the individual tracks to a reverb armed aux in order to add different amounts to each drum instrument while still using just 1 plug. But why the 2nd EQ on the sub mixes? Especially the non-compressed one? Quote:
And thanks for the response! I didn't expect to learn this much while talking about parallel compression.
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Well, for #1 I use an aux send to bus the 2 stereo subgroups to the same verb (on it's own aux track) that I sent the individual drums to while keeping them assigned to the master outputs. This way you still only have to use 1 verb plugin. I don't always do this but sometimes it will glue the track together a little better and even when I do i usually add only a very little verb since the low end from the kick can muddy things up. As far as the EQ, it's just a matter of taste. Sometimes I may feel like I like the overall balance of the drums but they could use just a little boost\minus here or there and it's easier to do that with one plugin on a stereo subgroup than to tweak each drum individually. #2 The general rule of thumb is: You send to time based fx since you usually want to be able to blend the dry\wet signals together (reverb, delays) You insert dynamics fx since you usually want to completely replace the original sound with the effected one (eq, compression) You can send to some dynamics fx if you wish to process all the sounds in the same way, which also cuts down on the amount of plugins you have to use (such is the case with NY Compression 1 compressor for multiple tracks). You can also insert time based fx if you wish for a 100% wet sound I would use inserts for hi/lo pass filters instead of buses Also if you set the output of a track(s) to Bus 1-2 (or any bus for that matter) it's still taking up those buses. So unfortunately that's not going to free any up for you. Hope this helps-Jason
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