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Re: When to let it go????
Great point JFreak... and I do plan on doing that. I have prearranged with the mix/mastering team to be there when it is done and have allocated an amount of time for Q&A before, during and after the project. These guys are great and are all for it... aka.. they know I am not a threat to their business .. :)
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I have that very thing in mind... I have an older release that I did a few years ago.. I know of things now that I would have done different/more of back then knowing what I know now.. I plan to go back and bring those cuts up to date using today's experience. I am looking forward to reinforcing some of this knowledge and better tracks! :)
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Funny you should say that, Christopher. A while back I downloaded some stems from some fairly well known artists that were made available for remixing. I was, shall we say, less than impressed, with the mediocre quality of some of the individual tracks, especially the synths. I found many of the patches to be just plain bad. BUT, when you listen to the full, pro-mix...the one that was on the radio and sold on iTunes etc, it still sounds great. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
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Sirens in the background for Ariana Grande?!? Where were they recording it...her bedroom? Geez! A few years ago, when I was working pretty hard to improve my mixing skills, I came across some of the websites that make remix stems available for some fairly well known artists, like Ariana Grande, among many others, such as this one. I remember thinking how great it would be to compare track and recording quality, especially for the synth tracks, which is what I was mainly focused on. Then when I was started soloing the stems, I was shocked at some of the really poor quality, even though the overall radio mixes sounded great. Not for everyone, of course. I recall getting some stems for a Celine Dion song. She's the real deal for sure. I also recall one for a Brittany Spears song. Ummm...how shall I put this...she can NOT sing! I can't believe the stems were made available. It was awful! Maybe this video isn't so far from truth!
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Yeah I have unfortunately heard a lot of A List artists and how bad their background music is stem by stem aswell as the recorded vocals with clicks and pops and jewelery jingling and some foottapping to the song that picks up in the mic tracks and a dog once in a VERY famous Girl Group and someone cursing in the background on a Justin track. I can go on and on but anything leaving here is top notch and I will send some stems to you private msg when ae are done for this year
Also as you say the finished product is pretty OK but look at Kygo and Major Lazer and DJ snake and see if you find some stems to solo and have a laughing och evening !!! The songs sound great put together but damn ... solo’d vocals Re soo scrath track-y and I cant believe how some get it soo bad with such high paid ”producers” and xpensive studios and gear ... Where are we heading here ... Music is not fun like it used to if you wanna make money on mainstream music as its so quick in and out of the studio and released so no one has any time to do the takes needed BUT we never hear that and the mistakes anyway since they hide it in the mixes really well
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Awesome dialog everyone! This is exactly what I suspected was going on - Maybe moreso than I would have guessed. This discussion has helped set the mind at ease a bit on the small things. I personally can’t accept the big items like have been mentioned here (Sirens and Dogs lol).. just not in me!
Thanks everyone - hopefully someone else will find some use to the info as well! Thanks all! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Just a couple of quick thoughts to add. Someone here once said a mix is never finished...its just abandoned. Funny, but makes a good point. Any design engineer will tell you that in designing any system of multiple component parts, their goal is never maximum optimization of each and every component, but constrained optimization, wherein the entire design collectively gets the job done as maximally as possible. You might say the same concept applies to recording and mixing to some degree. Sure, you can't polish a turd, BUT...you can achieve a good sounding mix, even if not every single track is optimal. Naturally, you want to ensure good quality on all tracks when recording -- meaning NO dogs, sirens, coughs, swearing, or whatever else in the background -- as well as well designed patches from synths, and well miked individual instruments and vocals. Those are the basics...mixing 101. But, to achieve that doesn't require endless fussing and fussing either. That's the point. And, as our buddy Dave (Albee) says all the time: "if it sounds good, it IS good!" Amen to that!
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