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Re: HDX vs Native
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Thanks everyone, good to hear different sides of the debate. Oddly, my colleagues native system, running the session that I can’t, isn’t on 2019.5 but still manages to run all the tracks/busses without any hassle. Which still confuses me?!? Also, as noted above, I will go back and make sure the dsp/native positioning for the plug-ins is correct but I’m sure it is. Thanks all, I appreciate the feedback and your time. |
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Re: HDX vs Native
HD native is a fantastic card i chose it instead of HDX never had problems with buffer settings alway ran mine at max settings the one thing i did realize at the time protools ultimate 2018 you need a faster computer with a fast cpu speed i had a 2008 and moved up to a 2012 with a 3.46ghz cpu its amazing it can know run any plugins no matter what size and tons of VIs who needs HDX!
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Was running HD Native after HD3, have now gone to HDX, as it's so much tighter in the headphones. (mainly track/mix bands)
Performance wise, I got the equivalent of HDX2 with HD Native and the 12 core.. so ended up with two HDX cards, and it's been a dream )
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Re: HDX vs Native
My experience is similar. At the studio, I record mainly jazz outfits and they are super critical of latency in their cans. But I like to load up the plugins while I'm tracking so I've got eq, dynamics, reverbs etc. all happening while I'm in record (and sometimes I plumb in our EMT 240), with up to 30 tracks in record. The HDX system we have is ideal for this. On the other hand, when it comes to mixing I now prefer working on my native system which is subjectively snappier to use and definitely handles bigger mixes without choking.
So I'd never give up HDX at the studio but I'd never want it in my mix room.
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I'm not trying to take over the thread too much, but guys, have you always calculated the DSP latency that is going on with the mixer? I mean if the DSP latency is 350 samples how come its monitoring is tighter than full-native mixer with 128 playback buffer, tell me?
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Re: HDX vs Native
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I just made a copy of one of my 48k sessions here at the studio and first set all the plugins to DSP mode and noted the track with the largest value in the delay compensation display - 2.94 mS. This is the same regardless of what buffer size is set. I then changed all the plugins to native mode and the largest value in the delay compensation display was 12mS at 128 buffer, rising to 87mS at 1024 buffer. But the 12mS figure is irrelevant because the session won't play or record at 128 buffer with the plugins native - in fact it won't play at anything less than 1024 as far as I can see with a quick test. But it will play and record at 128 (and indeed did, this was the big band session I mentioned elsewhere) with the plugins in DSP mode.
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Re: HDX vs Native
further off-topic, but i'd like to know which plugins you load to your system.. 128 samples / 48k should in itself be 2.7ms so even a +10ms value makes me think one of your plugins introduces extra latency
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8 instances of Avid ChannelStrip 2 instances of EQ3 1-band 2 instances of Massenburg eq5 6 instances of BF-76 1 instance of McDSP Channel G G-console 1 instance of McDSP Channel G eq 1 instance of brainworx bx_bassdude 2 instances of Revibe II and remember that we do all the foldback/talkback/reverse talkback through Pro Tools. In this session I was running six stereo cues if that makes any difference.
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Re: HDX vs Native
you can test it yourself.. one plugin might behive nicely on DSP and have thousands of samples of native latency
so remove f'ex all MCDSP from the mixer and see how much the latency changed. i have no idea which plugin it is but should not bring roundtrip to +10ms
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