Mac G4 1.25 Single Processor, AM3 card, can't find the card...

[Delta Music Belgium]

It seems to be your Mac does see the AM III, as I can see identical info: my Card name is also pci11af,ee40, my Card vendor is also 11AF, but the Card revision is not the same, I have 0011, you have 17, so I suppose your AMIII card is newer then mine.

I read in your previous post you first installed SD II 2.8.3, then DAE-DSI 5.0. I have never done that, I had PT 5.1.1 installed, I copied the SD II-application from another Mac (a 9600), launched it and it did work. So maybe you need to reinstall OS 9.2.2 (just to get rid of all Digidesign stuff), then install DAE + DSI 5.0 and then copy the SDII-application from another Mac (thus not installing it from the installer diks). Maybe this helps...

Anyway, I'm not sure it is enough to just install DAE + DSI 5.0, because I have installed:

Extensions:

Digidesign Direct I/O - v. 5.1.1
Digidesign DSP Manager - v. 5.1.1
Digidesign Stream Manager - v. 5.1.1
DigiSystem INIT - v. 5.1.1

Control Panels:

Digidesign - v. 5.1.1

DAE Folder:

DAE - v. 5.1.1cs1

Maybe you need one ore more of them (5.0 versions) + DAE/DSI 5.0 to get it to work

If you mail me privately (go to my web site for the address), I can try to send them to you...

[DJTempo]

OK, to try and eliminate any variables, I went and purchased another AMIII card (off eBay). Seems to be the same card, shows up in the System Info on the Mac identically, and is not seen by my copy of Sound Designer 2.8.3. Same problem as before.

Ho hum.

My question to anyone who might be reading this sorry thread: has anyone out there ever used SD 2.8.3 with an AMIII card on a B&W G4? Getting down to the basics, but seemed like an appropriate question to ask.

Chip

[Delta Music Belgium]

I have never personally seen a B&W G4 with SD 2.8.3 and a AMIII, but I have it working on a MDD G4 Dual 1.25 GHz, this is the same machine as your G4 1.25 GHz Single Processor and these machines are much more recent then a B&W G4. So I suppose it should work on an older B&W G4 too (a B&W G4 has 733 MHz max.)

Anyway, did you see the SD II Support pages on http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?...1&queryString= ?

There you can read this:

Can't select a Peripheral in Sound Designer II Hardware Setup window

• Corrupted DigiSetup file. (Quit SDII and delete the DigiSetup file from the System Folder. Restart Mac, boot SDII and open Hardware Setup to select peripheral.)
• Multiple DigiSystem INITs in the System Folder.

Btw, did you already try to use DAE & DSI 5.1 or higher on you MDD G4? I use DAE & DSI 5.1.1 and it really does work with SD II 2.8.3 (you can downlaod them at http://archive.digidesign.com/download/daedsi/ )

If you have a B&W G4 with PCI graphics, you can read on that same download page:

• DSI 5.0.1cs4 Update (For Macintosh)
  Fixes for Pro Tools TDM or LE Systems Using 'Blue & White' G3 or G4 w/PCI graphics (only for these systems)

FWIW, I still think for both your B&W G4 and MDD G4 it is a software problem and not a hardware problem...

[DJTempo]

Well gang... I had to get something running for all this back-and-forth and buying new CPU's and new AM3 cards, and all this... and I finally have a 450MHz Blue & White G3 running Sound Designer 2.8.3.

I seem to have no trouble on G3's or earlier, G4's and I have the aforementioned problem.

I do not know what to do with the 1.25 GHz G4.

The G3 needed DSI 5.0. I started with 3.4.2 and SD started saying "you need proper Digidesign hardware...".

I have an Atto SCSI-3 card, AND a 150GB FIREWIRE (?!!!) drive hooked up, and they both behave normally under SD 2.8.3.

I'm tempted to do a little tinkering, trying to record to the Firewire drive to see if it actually works. (I can see it on the desktop, but only got so far as to play a couple songs with SD before I had to give up for the evening).

I'm going to go over all these posts with a fine toothed comb, and might try the 1.25 again if I derive anything I hadn't already tried.

In the end... THANK YOU to those who tried to help out.

Chip

[DJTempo]

Whelp, taking a hint from the last post, I went and found DAE/DSI 5.1.1. Installed, rebooted... and it's working. I hadn't tried anything higher than 5.0 because they stopped mentioning the AM3 and/or SD in the descriptions. All the descriptions look like they work with ProTools. I think I hadn't gone any higher than 5.0 before.

So, now... I have about 3 months worth of audio projects to catch up on.

While I'm at it, does anyone know of a faster machine (than the 1.25) that will still run SD using the AM3 card?

[milesofwire]

I knew that was it.

You have the fastest processor that was ever ment to run OS9, a dual won't have any effect since 9 only will use only one.

[Delta Music Belgium]

Originally Posted by DJTempo

Whelp, taking a hint from the last post, I went and found DAE/DSI 5.1.1. Installed, rebooted... and it's working. I hadn't tried anything higher than 5.0 because they stopped mentioning the AM3 and/or SD in the descriptions. All the descriptions look like they work with ProTools. I think I hadn't gone any higher than 5.0 before.

So, now... I have about 3 months worth of audio projects to catch up on.

While I'm at it, does anyone know of a faster machine (than the 1.25) that will still run SD using the AM3 card?

In post 8 of this thread I wrote ( more then a month ago):

Originally Posted by Delta Music Belgium

- with OS 9.2.2 (and the Expansion Chassis with Mix hardware is switched off), I use Sounddesigner 2.8.3 with AudioMedia III, it works like a charm (using the same DAE 5.1.1 + DSI 5.1)

In post 14 of this thread I wrote:

Originally Posted by Delta Music Belgium

But I can give you a list of Digidesign OS 9 Extensions/Control Panels that I use for SoundDesigner II 2.8.3:

Extensions:

Digidesign Direct I/O - v. 5.1.1
Digidesign DSP Manager - v. 5.1.1
Digidesign Stream Manager - v. 5.1.1
DigiSystem INIT - v. 5.1.1

Control Panels:

Digidesign - v. 5.1.1

DAE Folder:

DAE - v. 5.1.1cs1

As you can see it is the standard installation for PT 5.1.1 and this works perfect with SoundDesigner II 2.8.3 + the AudioMedia III card.

In post 19 of this thread I wrote:

Originally Posted by Delta Music Belgium

I use DAE + DSI 5.1.1 and this works like a charm, you could download DAE + DSI 5.1.1 here

In post 31 of this thread I wrote (I even offered to send you DAE + DSI 5.1.1):

Originally Posted by Delta Music Belgium

Anyway, I'm not sure it is enough to just install DAE + DSI 5.0, because I have installed:

Extensions:

Digidesign Direct I/O - v. 5.1.1
Digidesign DSP Manager - v. 5.1.1
Digidesign Stream Manager - v. 5.1.1
DigiSystem INIT - v. 5.1.1

Control Panels:

Digidesign - v. 5.1.1

DAE Folder:

DAE - v. 5.1.1cs1

Maybe you need one ore more of them (5.0 versions) + DAE/DSI 5.0 to get it to work

If you mail me privately (go to my web site for the address), I can try to send them to you...

In post 33 of this thread I wrote:

Originally Posted by Delta Music Belgium

Btw, did you already try to use DAE & DSI 5.1 or higher on you MDD G4? I use DAE & DSI 5.1.1 and it really does work with SD II 2.8.3 (you can downlaod them at http://archive.digidesign.com/download/daedsi/ )

But for some strange reason you never wanted to listen to me...


But now I'm happy you finally took up my word and installed DAE & DSI 5.1.1! So all the time I did spend here trying to help you out wasn't wasted (sometimes I felt quite frustrated)

Btw, I'm a Pro Tools Support Engineer since 1995 and I installed and supported hundreds of Pro Tools rigs, starting from Nubus until today, including lots of G3's and G4's (with or without SD II). I also used and owned all of these systems myself, even until today I have a 9600, a 9600 with G3 CPU upgrade, a G4 Dual 1.25, a G4 Dual 1.25 FW800 and a G5 Dual 2.0, all of them running some type of Digidesign soft & hardware.

Anyway, I wish you all the best with SD II 2.8.3, IMHO the best 2-track editor ever made!

[Delta Music Belgium]

Originally Posted by milesofwire

I knew that was it.

You have the fastest processor that was ever ment to run OS9, a dual won't have any effect since 9 only will use only one.

Maybe you knew it, but you never spoke about DAE & DSI 5.1.1 in this thread

Btw, OS 9 can use a G4 dual processor without a problem, fe. Altivec compatible software such as Photoshop or Logic Audio 4.x.

The point is Digidesign software has a problem with dual processors on OS 9, for a Dual G4 + OS 9.2.2 you need to install the extension 'ApplePCI', this extension in fact disables the 2nd processor.

So, DJTempo, for SD II there is no need to go to a Dual G4 indeed...

[milesofwire]

I mentioned it in my emails to the OP, I have done alot of work for this guy to get this working outside of this thread, you don't have be rude a jump to conclusions.

[Delta Music Belgium]

Originally Posted by milesofwire

I mentioned it in my emails to the OP, I have done alot of work for this guy to get this working outside of this thread, you don't have be rude a jump to conclusions.

I'm not rude at all, based on this thread my conclusions (if any, I use the word 'maybe' in my sentence) are correct, you never talked about the DAE/DSI issue, I can't know you did some helping behind the scene...

But I can conclude out of this DJTempo didn't want to listen to you either

Btw, there is a behind the sentence in my previous mail, I don't think that's being rude, I think that's being plain friendly

Anyway, I didn't want to be rude in any way, I'm sorry you see it that way...