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Old 11-20-2018, 01:46 PM
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Default Sibelius as rewire plugin in ProTools

Hi all,
I had hoped to be clever with the following constellation:
In ProTools, I start a session which I wish to create with Sibelius as a note editor.
Within that session, all the instruments should come from Garritan (with "aria multi" as an instrument plugin.
Inside the aria plugin, I selected the channels for each instrument, and of course the various outputs, one for each instrument.
Now when looking up the mixer window in ProTools, I only see one stereo output: "Sibelius". Is there any chance to wire the single Aria outs directly to ProTools, so that each and every instrument sound can be processed within ProTools?
I wanted to use this constellation because when I only have the Aria Multi in ProTools, the note editor does not give me any chance about dynamics (cresc. / decresc.), no distinct articulation. And, Somehow I do not get all the instruments sounding when the Aria Multi is directly a plugin for ProTools.
Any Idea, please?
I will also post this in the Sibelius forum to see which answers I could collect from that side.
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Old 11-21-2018, 03:58 AM
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I am also waiting for an answer to this question.
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Old 11-21-2018, 09:05 AM
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I am also waiting for an answer to this question.
Any idea whom we can address directly? It's a bit annoying: I purchased ProTools just because it is from the same house as Sibelius, hoping for some compatibility. So much money spent and no results - I looked up my post in Sibelius help forum: No one has even looked at it.
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Sibelius cannot send multiple outputs to Pro Tools via Rewire, only a stereo mix.
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Sibelius cannot send multiple outputs to Pro Tools via Rewire, only a stereo mix.

Sad. It is therefore necessary to send to Sibelius the partitions. Do you know if Pro Tools sends controllers like sustain? In MIDI, yes, but with "send to Sibelius", it does not seem.
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Old 11-21-2018, 12:51 PM
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Sad. It is therefore necessary to send to Sibelius the partitions. Do you know if Pro Tools sends controllers like sustain? In MIDI, yes, but with "send to Sibelius", it does not seem.
Well, I'd like to use Sibelius as note editor. So ProTools really is the host, and what is in Sibelius is triggering the channels in PT.
There is a not editor option in PT, but I cannot go and copy the staves from Sibelius and paste them into those in the PT note editor.
I'd do the entire thing exclusively in PT, but the PT note editor doesn't give me "hairpins" for crescendi/decrescendi, and: When I use all 16 channels of the aria player, only a few of them would give me any sound. The rest remains silent.
The project, however, is some classical thing, I really need those expressive marks such as hairpins and articulations.
Is there a way to have the Sibelius-Mixer-outs go to the aria player plugin in PT? Or is that sort of channeling limited to remain totally within Sibelius?
Any idea of how to solve this, please?
And still no reply from the Sibelius side. Sad.
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Well, I'd like to use Sibelius as note editor. So ProTools really is the host, and what is in Sibelius is triggering the channels in PT.
There is a not editor option in PT, but I cannot go and copy the staves from Sibelius and paste them into those in the PT note editor.
I'd do the entire thing exclusively in PT, but the PT note editor doesn't give me "hairpins" for crescendi/decrescendi, and: When I use all 16 channels of the aria player, only a few of them would give me any sound. The rest remains silent.
The project, however, is some classical thing, I really need those expressive marks such as hairpins and articulations.
Is there a way to have the Sibelius-Mixer-outs go to the aria player plugin in PT? Or is that sort of channeling limited to remain totally within Sibelius?
Any idea of how to solve this, please?
And still no reply from the Sibelius side. Sad.

I do not know. Personally, a long time ago, I made my sound models completely with Sibelius. Then I gave up this way when I did not need partition for the others. In my projects, I control all the result, so I work in Pro Tools (or Cubase) in MIDI. The hairpins and joints, inside Sibelius, are only MIDI indications (data of controllers), very easy to do in Pro Tools (or Cubase), but in the Midi editor, not in the editor of partition. I think it's better to work in Sibelius only for sketchs that will be played by real musicians, but it's better to work in Pro Tools only (at least half way) if the result of the score stays until virtual tip.
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