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Old 01-28-2016, 03:45 PM
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Default Worth replacing 2008 Mac Pro for upgraded 2010 Mac Pro?

Looking for opinions...

I have:

Early 2008 Mac Pro 3,1 lntel Xeon E5642 @ 2.80 Ghz, 2 processors, 8 ores, 26 GB RAM
Geekbench 3 scores: 1672 Single-Core/11,717 Multi-Core Score
Boot drive is SSD
Est. Street Value: $500

I'm considering replacing with:

2010 Mac Pro 5,1 2x Intel Xeon Westmere 6-Core 3.46Ghz Processors, 32 GB RAM
Boot Drive will be SSD
Geekbench Score: Multi-Core around 30,000
Est. Ebay price $1,800 to $2,200


I own a Pro Tools HD Native card and 2 blue 192 interfaces. I don't want to go the Hackintosh route and I just can't stomach the price of a trash can Mac Pro.

Pros/Question: Will going from 11,000 to 30,000 multi-core score give me a performance "high" I will seriously notice when it comes to tracking with plugins natively and latency?

Cons: I'm not considering future of USB 3/Thunderbolt etc. Old machines eventually die (e.g. power supply, MB - anything could die at any time) Yet Mac Pros are built very well.

Stick with what I've got? Spend the money? Hold out for the trash can mac? Wait even longer for the Mac Pro prices to come down? What say ye oh Pro Tools HD brothers? I know this question is subjective, just looking for thoughts.
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Old 01-28-2016, 08:17 PM
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Default Re: Worth replacing 2008 Mac Pro for upgraded 2010 Mac Pro?

The question is how close do you come to maxing your current system *regularly*?

IMO, the sweet spot is the 3.33GHz hex from 2010. I'm seeing them well in the sub $1k range and they have good power. With the 2010 you have a much faster FSB (same as 2009), faster RAM than the 2009, and a fast single processor speed, which generally equates to superior low-latency performance.

Add an SSD and you have great performance. Double the processors and you have one of the very fastest Macs available.
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Old 01-28-2016, 10:57 PM
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Default Re: Worth replacing 2008 Mac Pro for upgraded 2010 Mac Pro?

I went from a HD3 system and a MacPro 2008 to a MacPro with the specs as described in your post - a 2012 model. Bought an Apollo FireWire with an extra quad system and ProTools 12.4 HD. I had the same concerns as you, but I am so pleased with my new system and feel I have a lot of mileage in it. Best investment in a long time.
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Old 01-29-2016, 03:47 AM
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Default Re: Worth replacing 2008 Mac Pro for upgraded 2010 Mac Pro?

I went from the same 2008 to a 2009 modded to the 2010 specs you listed and I could not be happier.
I think the cost of the 2009 machine and the cost of the upgrade put me around the asking price you mention so the prices aren't that far off.
For me it was a good purchase.
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Old 01-29-2016, 03:48 AM
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Default Re: Worth replacing 2008 Mac Pro for upgraded 2010 Mac Pro?

A geekbench score of 30,000 means it outclasses most of the newer trashcan mac range. There is only a couple of macs in existence that are more powerful than that. I do think you will be impressed.

If it were me, I would get the 2010 mac pro you have mentioned. I wouldn't put a sata SSD drive in it though. Get a Samsung SM951 m.2 drive and an PCIe m.2 adaptor. http://barefeats.com/hard200.html
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If it were me, I would get the 2010 mac pro you have mentioned.[/url]

Agreed lots of power little investment
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Old 01-31-2016, 08:02 AM
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Default Re: Worth replacing 2008 Mac Pro for upgraded 2010 Mac Pro?

I recently bought a used 2009 8 core for 350.00, upgraded it to a 5.1 12 core for an additional 300.00.

Same specs as the one you are looking at.

I would be patient and search local sales where you can get a 2009 8 core. Your average user has no idea they can upgrade it to a 12 core!
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Old 02-03-2016, 03:15 PM
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Default Re: Worth replacing 2008 Mac Pro for upgraded 2010 Mac Pro?

Thanks everyone. Really good tips, especially Barry. I like the idea of buying locally if possible to avoid the heavy shipping charges (let alone potential damage during shipping). I'm holding out for that sweet deal.

I'm still a bit perplexed when it comes to the value of CPU speed and associated Geekbench single/multicore scores when it comes to Pro Tools and particularly latency when tracking through plugins. Suffice it to say that every detail matters to varying degrees. For example:

1.) Interface Speed - in my case Native HD card over digilink cable to a pair of digi 192 blue interfaces. How would Firewire 800, USB3 or Thunderbolt compare? A bit of a non-starter in my case because I really like my Digi 192 blues, they're an exceptional value on the used market right now. I also have such a great mix of IO right now with them, including analog, AES, SP/DIF and ADAT. No new interfaces offer this much, yet most people probably don't care. Any thoughts?

2.) CPU speed - 2.4, 2.66, 2.8, 3.33, 3.46 - to me differences matter a bit less here but I can't speak to this totally because I only really have experimented with a 2006 mac pro and 2008 mac pro. Thoughts on how much this aspect matters?

3.) Number of Cores - 4, 6, 8, 12? - I'd say this matters a lot for Pro Tools. More cores is better. Thoughts?

4.) RAM speed/Amount of RAM - yeah fast RAM is better and more RAM is better to a point. For me if you have over 20 GB you're fine unless you use huge samples on huge sessions.

5.) Hard drive speed - SSD's are without question the way to go for boot drives - do they matter much for working drives? Also worth it to get a PCIe card M.2 SSD drive and double speeds that are already pretty fast on the normal SATA bus?

6.) Graphics card power/speed. I'm less interested in this because I only need basic graphics supporting 1920 x 1080 resolutions.

7.) Computer's chipset speed - yeah here's a fun one. This kinda cuts to the whole architecture question, trash can mac vs mac pro tower.

It all adds up to a Geekbench score. And will we see greatly improved hardware out of Apple any time soon? I would say, probably not as the market for Apple is clearly less desktops and more mobile. Will prices come down on the trash can macs - sure they will - but feels like a slow drop right now. Meanwhile your 2012 and older mac pro towers will have hardware failures at some point, for example power supplies. And you don't want that during a critical session. Still I just love mine, feels like a sherman tank.
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Default Re: Worth replacing 2008 Mac Pro for upgraded 2010 Mac Pro?

If it were me, I would get the 2010 mac pro you have mentioned. also as LDS stated I wouldn't put the SSD in a drive bay. But would go with the Samsung SM951 m.2 drive and an PCIe m.2 adaptor he mentioned in one of the remaining pcie slots

The PCIe SSD option as oppose to putting it in a drive bay it costs more but you will be creating a more future proof machine. The New Samsung SM 951 , 512 GD is the fastest option . Also for that era Mac (c MP) make sure you get the SM 951 in AHCI - M2 version, not the NVMe version.
As a quick comparison in that mid 2010 - 2012 westmere

And HDD give about 130 to 150 read/write speed
An SSD in drive bay about 250 - 350
A samsung sm 951 256 GB in pcie slot 3 or 4 about 500 to 750
A samsung sm 951 512 GB in pcie slaot 3 or 4 about 1200 to 1600
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Old 02-13-2016, 06:33 PM
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Default Worth replacing 2008 Mac Pro for upgraded 2010 Mac Pro?

Well, I have a Mac Pro 2010 12 core 3.33 ghz (2010 not 2009 flashed) coming with 64 GB of RAM - got a deal on it - $1,470 shipped (has a 5770 vid card, an 240 GB SSD and 1 TB drive which I don't really care about). I'll definitely consider the M.2 on the PCIe card - great tip! I'm hoping that going from a geekbench multicore score of 11,000 on my 2008 Mac Pro to over 30,000 on this new machine will equate to being able to set the hardware buffer lower for lower latency tracking with native plugins. Of course, I could be totally wrong. I'll report back my results.
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