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Old 07-22-2008, 09:42 AM
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Hello all. Well I am finally making the move to PT 7.4.HD1 Acell PCIe with HD3 plug in pack. So I have ordered this system for my build. Does any one see any issues that may save me time and failures? Any input is surely welcome.

Ill will be using one 500gB drive for OS *(XP PRO SP3)
One 500gB drive for Write/read
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ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA ATX Intel Motherboard
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Antec TPQ-850 850W Power Supply
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Kingston HyperX 4GB (4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Quad Kit Desktop Memory
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EVGA GeForce 9600 GT 01G-P3-N869-AR Video Card
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Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
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Seagate Barracuda ES.2 500GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
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Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Yorkfield 2.66GHz 12MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:59 AM
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Old 07-23-2008, 10:21 AM
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That 1 GB video card is going to kill your systems available memory. Stick with a lowend card with around 256mb of memory. You need Vista 64 and about 8GB of memory for a 1GB card. I would look for a ATI X2400-2600 or X3800 series card with the least amount of dedicated memory on board.

I'm not aware of any problems with that mother board and PT but I dont think anyone was tried it with HD, Its working with LE though.
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Old 07-23-2008, 11:51 AM
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this Mobo work also with HD3 PCIe , look my "about me"
Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L
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Old 07-23-2008, 07:04 PM
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Not sure why the card would take recourses. Its 1Gig is on the card and not sharing any ram resources. I as well will be driving two monitors with some AVI video with Pt at some times for some clients. Could you please expand on your thinking about using a 256 MB vid card over a 1Gig card?
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Old 07-24-2008, 06:41 PM
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Windows will match the cards frame buffer by pulling from the system memory. Do a web search on PAE Switches.

It goes something like this.

A 32 bit app (Windows) can only address 4GB of RAM. This is a limit of being 32bit. Windows splits this into a 2GB chunk designated strictly for Windows and leaves 2GB for Applications.

But...... Out of the Applications Address space come something called "Motherboard Resources". These are not user definable and your at the mercy of the OS.

If you install 4GB in Windows you will typically see 3.5GB free in the System Information window. This is with a "small" 128MB card. 2 128MB cards will get you 3.25NB. One 256MB card will get you 3.25 to 3GB remaining. Please remember that out of the 3 to 3.25GB of memory 2GB is still reserved for Windows leaving 1GB to 1.25Gb to Applications. Add another 256MB card or a single 512MB card and your memory will probably dip into the 2.75 to 3GB range-Leaving .75 to 1GB for Pro Tools.

So whats going to happen when you drop in a 1GB card? Your going to have a awesome gaming rig thats good for very little other than pushing pixels.

Pick your card by the resolutions you monitors will support at the resolutions you will be using. You may have two 30'' monitors that support 4880x2480 but if you need a telescope to read the screen all that resolution is useless.

Short anwswer is that while the card may have dedicated memory Windows is going to match it. You don't need a huge video card to display accross two monitors. The idea is to find a smaller card that will support your moniters intended resolution and still display Video
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Somthing like this then? I run 1024 768 ish anyway.

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It should be just fine! You might look for the same type of card in passively cooled design and get rid of the noisy fan.
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That 1 GB video card is going to kill your systems available memory. Stick with a lowend card with around 256mb of memory. You need Vista 64 and about 8GB of memory for a 1GB card. I would look for a ATI X2400-2600 or X3800 series card with the least amount of dedicated memory on board.

I'm not aware of any problems with that mother board and PT but I dont think anyone was tried it with HD, Its working with LE though.
that´s some kind of bs.

every card will take some system-ram when needed.

but, only when the onboard-ram is fully loaded.

no matter if 128 or 1024mb onboard.

you´ll never load 1024mb with pro tools or any other audio-only-software. even with video and most drivers delete every unused loaded files automatically.

graphics-ram of 256mb is recommended and 512mb enough. you better look at fan-noise/passive cooling, dual-monitor, price and most important cache-bandwidth which needs to be 256bit minimum.

low-ram-cards often have 64-bit or 128-bit which are very slow.
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that´s some kind of bs.

every card will take some system-ram when needed.

but, only when the onboard-ram is fully loaded.

no matter if 128 or 1024mb onboard.

you´ll never load 1024mb with pro tools or any other audio-only-software. even with video and most drivers delete every unused loaded files automatically.

graphics-ram of 256mb is recommended and 512mb enough. you better look at fan-noise/passive cooling, dual-monitor, price and most important cache-bandwidth which needs to be 256bit minimum.

low-ram-cards often have 64-bit or 128-bit which are very slow.
Actually its not BS, Its thoroughly proven and well documented on the web.

Intel Explaination

Nvideas Explaination

Understanding the /3Gb switch in layman's terms

GREAT thread on how to virtually double the memory available to Pro Tools LE But.....This only works if you have some memory left over to work with.

I have personally tested starting with 32MB cards and working my way up to 512. Every machine is different and YMMV but the generalities in the above statement are very true. Don't believe me? Do what I did and go out and spend several hundred dollars on a 3-4 extra video cards you A) Don't need B) Can't use C) Don't want. Just to prove or disprove what happens to memory <3Gb as you increase the size of the video cards memory.

Pro Tools is not a game and doesn't require anything more than a DirectX7 card with 64MB of memory to run 2 monitors. Anything else takes memory away from the main system memory. With todays RAM loaded Virtual instruments it can be important to conserve as much memory as possible. The caveat here is when streaming HD video its helpfull to have a newer card that decode it if needed with out requiring additional CPU cycles. Hence my advice to use the newest card with the smallest practical memory.

I spend a lot of time trying to give accurate advice and put a lot of time into finding out the correct answers (usually before I reply). Most forum members would probably tell you I do an good job at that. When I'm wrong (It happens, life is nothing but a learning experience I admit it, learn something and move on. Certainly some of my reply was subjective and opinionated but founded in practical real life experience.

But....I don't think I'm the one posting the BS in this particular thread though.

Welcome to the DUC! You will find lots of good advice here and lots of opinions too.
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