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Re: Minimum System for Recording Only
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Depends, SSDs are complicated, sort of. In theory, especially with your small track counts, you're fine. The audio writing to the SSD along with any OS-demanded disk I/O is tiny. However with the particular SSD you get and the particular OS you install, what is the maintenance plan for the SSD? Is Trim enabled and does it cause problems with your chosen OS version? Is Trim enabled and the drive doesn't need it? Is garbage collection adequate on the drive or not available? If you don't know what I mean by all this then do some research on those topics to make sure you don't run into issues in the middle of a recording. With your limited track count and most decent SSDs you'll be fine. I never trust it to "just work". Hugh |
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working better than RME. Therefor if you intend using the interface on both, Windows and Mac, you will be better off with the RME for sure. If you are pretty sure to use it only on Mac the Motu might be more interesting because of the more current tech and the 8 channels+. As for SSDs and Pro Tools recording Darryl has covered it all basically. With 2011-2012 Macbook Pro models you still have the option to replace all the stuff like drives, memory, battery etc. easily yourself which will give you the choice to put in any 2.5" SATA drive you want (7200rpm HDDs or SATA SSDs). And you can replace it yourself later again if there should be any issue or just the need for more storage space or speed. Thatīs the advantage of using older Macbooks. However with the newer Apple Flash drives or anything similar (PCie etc. based) you definitely can record to the one and only internal drive (even with Pro Tools) as these are fast and reliable enough now. With SATA SSDs (which are the ones you would use for 2011-2012 MBPs) you theoretically can do it as well but it ainīt a reliable thing at the end of the day. I have used both and have done it with both kinda systems several times. With the Apple Flash drive there never was any issue at all. It flew so that I even didnīt notice that there was "hard work" going on. With the SATA SSDs (and I even used Samsung 850 Pro models with Trim enabled on a very clean and Pro Tools ready system) it at first was no problem as well but when it got "heavier" there were little issues from time to time. Nothing serious but when you are doing live recordings only one single drop out can be a real problem. To sum it up. With 2011-2012 Macbooks (and the suiting SATA SSDs) you better stick to using an extra drive for your Pro Tools audio. Just for reliability and stability. You might use a 256GB SATA SSD for the system drive (128GB might work but 256GB provide more stability) and a second SATA SSD of any amount of storage space you might need for your PT projects. You should be fine with such kinda set up. The best of success to you again. |
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And thanks again. I did end up ordering that 2011 unit that was already tricked out, and will replace the second drive with a faster one. And as much as I trust RME, I've opted for the MOTU LP32 in this case, partly because of the extra eight channels, but mostly because the RME unit lacks word clock. So the process begins....
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Due to a listing error, the seller ended up sending me a more recent 2012 model with a large SSD system drive, but without the Superdrive swapped out. I've always been most comfortable recording to an internal drive, but this MBP has FW 800 and USB 3.0 ports, so I'm tempted to go external as I know countless folks do this all the time without issue. Any performance advantage/disadvantage recording externally with these systems?
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I routinely track to a Samsung T3 256 GB USB 3.0 SSD. It's actually connected to a USB 2 hub, and it doesn't even break a sweat tracking 32 tracks live. Works well in both Sierra and Win 10 (Bootcamp)
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Good to know, thanks. I'm actually reconsidering now, though, as I think about the convenience of one fewer item to tote and connect. These things become more important as one enters old age.
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This is the installation video. https://eshop.macsales.com/installvi...body_mid12_dd/ These are the tools and parts you will need to get it done. https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/DDMBSSD500/ Even if 3G SSDs/drives will not be that fast like 6G SSDs/drives you may use a 3G SSD/drive for the optical bay as these will work more reliably with that controller. It will be a bit slower (about 250mb/s) in comparison to the 6G SSDs (about 400mb/s) but still a lot faster than any 7200rpm HDD (about 90mb/s) which still is the standard PT requirement. You would not have to worry about speed even with the 3G SSD at all. If you rather would not prefer to do the DIY replacement of your optical drive you still can use any external SSD/7200rpm HDD via FW800 or USB3. This definitely should work out too with Pro Tools. The most affordable yet very fast solution will be to put such a SSD https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-MZ-75...+850+Evo&psc=1 into such an external enclosure https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KYF1LLI?psc=1 and connect it to your USB 3 port. If you are on a tight budget or you tend to trust more in mechanical drives than in SSDs for your Pro Tools audio in general, this would be a very affordable yet reliable and useable external drive solution as well. https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Lacie/301983/ (500GB 7200rpm HDD, Firewire 800 and USB 3 connection) And, yes, of course you can try to record to your internal SSD as well but I highly recommend to do some test drives before recording serious, important stuff and even live concerts just to see how the system will behave under stress. Basically this is no recommended way to work with Pro Tools. Except you are using PCie based SSDs like Apple Flash drives etc. The best of success to you whichever route you decide to go finally. Cheers. |
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Thanks. I will be ordering a mod kit from OWC, and have decided to stick with a plain old 7200 RPM drive. Can't quite justify the extra expense of an SSD recording drive when the spinning drives have been so consistently successful for so long.
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