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Old 06-10-2009, 05:29 AM
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Default Safari 4 Plugin Crash Isolation

I'd suggest the digi people take a look at how Safari 4 is isolating plugins from crashing the entire browser, as claimed by Apple.

Many (most?) crashes in Pro Tools come from plugins, so an architecture that insulates them from crashing at key points would be great. You might not be able to protect during playback, but loading, startup, and opening, using and closing the GUI are events that cause most of the crashes and aren't performance intensive, which you might be able to isolate.

I've already requested an "Open Session With All Plugins Inactive" option so people can get rid of crashing plugins without tedious Import Session Data workarounds. But isolation would be better.
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Old 06-10-2009, 07:17 AM
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Default Re: Safari 4 Plugin Crash Isolation

Page 118 of the manual?
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Old 06-10-2009, 02:23 PM
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Default Re: Safari 4 Plugin Crash Isolation

Oh thanks. Another hidden feature.

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Opening Session with Plug-ins
Deactivated
Pro Tools lets you open sessions with all of the
session’s plug-ins set to inactive. Since sessions
with a lot of plug-ins can take a long time to
load, this lets you quickly open any session for
immediate visual inspection and audio playback
(without plug-ins). If it is the session that you
want to work with, you can easily reopen the
session with plug-ins activated.
To open a Pro Tools session with all plug-ins set to
inactive:
1 In Pro Tools, choose File > Open Session.
2 In the Open Session dialog, locate and select
the session you want.
3 Shift-click Open.
To re-open the same session with all plug-ins set to
active, do one of the following:
􀂄 Choose File > Revert To Saved.
– or –
􀂄 Choose File > Open Recent and select the most
recent session in the submenu.
Press Control+Shift+O (Windows) or
Command+Shift+O (Mac) to open the most
recent session.
Again, isolation would be better. I don't think you can reactivate entire rows of plugins easily (as you can debypass them using option key).
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Old 06-10-2009, 08:45 PM
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Oh thanks. Another hidden feature.
Seriously? You think that Digi including it in the manual under the Sessions chapter constitutes a "hidden feature"?
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Old 06-10-2009, 08:47 PM
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I don't think you can reactivate entire rows of plugins easily (as you can debypass them using option key).
And why would you want to reactivate an entire row of plugins if the objective is to isolate a single plugin. It's a methodical process. Think about what you are trying to achieve.
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Old 06-10-2009, 09:25 PM
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Seriously? You think that Digi including it in the manual under the Sessions chapter constitutes a "hidden feature"?
Yes. Burying something in an 800 page manual makes it a documented feature...but requiring a vulcan neck pinch to activate it, and providing no visual affordance for it, makes it a hidden feature.

After opening a session with all plugins inactive (so the damn thing will open in the first place), most likely you have a prime suspect (from watching which track was loading when the crash happened). After you delete the prime suspect, you will want to re-activate all the plugins. Being forced to vulcan-neck-click each plugin in a session is onerous.

You could do that with a save and re-open I guess...provided the DAW remembered that your deactivating the plugins was temporary. But if the DAW remembered that, then reactivating a selected few and saving may get you nowhere, as the ones that are crashing will reactivate upon reopen!

And if the DAW doesn't remember it's temporary, any reflexive Cmd-S you might do will make you reactivate each plugin one by one! Probably no undo on that either.
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Old 06-11-2009, 05:30 AM
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requiring a vulcan neck pinch to activate it
AKA holding down the shift key. FYI, every host uses modifier keys for certain functions and every host has a substantial manual which a responsible user has to read.

Sorry but I think you need to spend more time learning how to use the software and less time complaining. I'm done with this.
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Old 06-11-2009, 02:01 PM
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Yes. Burying something in an 800 page manual makes it a documented feature...but requiring a vulcan neck pinch to activate it, and providing no visual affordance for it, makes it a hidden feature.
It's also in the 'What's New' guide...
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Old 06-11-2009, 02:56 PM
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Default Re: Safari 4 Plugin Crash Isolation

Another nice thing to do would be to keep a log file as each plugin is loaded, started up, etc. and when one causes a crash either on Application load or for a session, deactivate it with a non-modal notification when re-loading.
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