Pro Tools Ntive vs HD Tdm sound comparison

[zavid]

hi all ,
anybody have done some sound comparison between
pro tools HD native (pcie card , thunderbolt , asio , ua , etc..)

bouncing same session that include 8 drum tracks,
guitars, bass, some keyboard tracks like piano, pad, synth sound , and voice ?

how sound reverbs like the renaissance verb , DVerb etc..
in AAX compared to the Tdm version ?
there are much differences ?

somebody also made mixdown on digital console like DM 2000
or other digital desk , getting the tracks from PT Native with digital connections (adar,aes-ebu-) ?

also links to audio files or if available youtube video would be great ,

thanks in advance for post .

[BScout]

I don’t think English is your first language so this may be hard to understand but a bounce goes to native no matter what. It was part of the design of AAX vs AAX-DSP. This is different from AAX vs a print down

[Drew Mazurek]

Originally Posted by zavid

hi all ,
anybody have done some sound comparison between
pro tools HD native (pcie card , thunderbolt , etc..)

bouncing same session that include 8 drum tracks,
guitars, bass, some keyboard tracks like piano, pad, synth sound , and voice ?

how sound reverbs like the renaissance verb , DVerb etc..
in AAX compared to the Tdm version ?

also links to audio files or youtube video would be great ,

there are much differences ?

somebody also made mixdown on digital console like DM 2000
or other digital desk , getting the tracks from PT Native with digital connections (adar,aes-ebu-) ?

thanks in advance for post .

I think you've got a few things mixed up. TDM technology isn't used anymore. Study up on the history of PT and you'll see that transition about 10 years ago.

As for the current AAX Native and AAX DSP variants of PT plugins, for all intents and purposes they sound identical. And Pro Tools itself DOES sound identical whether you're running it natively (PTSW, PTHD Native PCIe/TB) or on an HDX card.

Hope this helps.

[zavid]

Originally Posted by BScout

I don’t think English is your first language so this may be hard to understand but a bounce goes to native no matter what. It was part of the design of AAX vs AAX-DSP. This is different from AAX vs a print down

Dear Big : P.O.S.

whats the problem ???
the language ??

It is really so difficult for you understand :

sound differences between mixing down (bouncing)
same PT session
(same audio tracks, same layout, same plug ins, setting included)

1 with old pro tools HD Tdm system
and:
the other with the AAX native version of protools
without HD-HDX cards , but with the native pcie card (less dsp chips) using the Native driver ,

? ? ? ? ? ?

and compare the 2 stereo mixed down files (A<->B)

if for you the english is not my first language , problem

for me the "presentiment" is you have so baddest serious problems !!!!!!!

dear Big : P.O.S.

[Drew Mazurek]

Originally Posted by zavid

sound differences between mixing down (bouncing)
same PT session
(same audio tracks, same layout, same plug ins, setting included)

1 with old pro tools HD Tdm system
and:
the other with the AAX native version of protools
without HD-HDX cards , but with the native pcie card (less dsp chips) using the Native driver

This would be very difficult to do because you'd be limited to plugins that exist (assuming the code is EXACTLY the same) in both formats.

But if you did, you find that the AAX native versions would likely sound better. The 32bit float environment is the widely adopted way of mixing these days as opposed to TDM's fix point environment.

[zavid]

Originally Posted by Drew Mazurek

This would be very difficult to do because you'd be limited to plugins that exist (assuming the code is EXACTLY the same) in both formats.

But if you did, you find that the AAX native versions would likely sound better. The 32bit float environment is the widely adopted way of mixing these days as opposed to TDM's fix point environment.

thanks for reply Masurek….
(finally someone "problems" less)

when "someone" post in a specialized place ,
suppose that who post in reply
is "competent" about ,
unfortunately the supposition seem to be not a good think…
(Big P.O.S. apart..)

anyway :
i know the differences about bit length word ,
but i also know that the PT-LE
since Digi001 002 ,003 , mbox etc..

not sound as the Tdm cards with dedicated dsp chips ,
because dap processing is loaded on the d.a.w cpu ,
(dsp digital data compression / reduction,
for avoid cpu crash at the first plug ins opening…..)

and the topic of the thread is the same , LE vs Tdm topic

"overlying" to Native (without dsp cards) vs. old HD tdm cards

seen (the same) that the processing is loaded o the d.a.w cpu
considering that the actual intel multicore cpus are much more
"performers" than the old ones ,

and probably the actual PT Native dsp digital data compression / reduction, is more smooth than the old ones …

but only the ears can say the truth !

reason why i asked (if possible) audio files comparison ,
and better more with video like on youtube many real time comparison between different outboards ,
outboards vs plug ins , different version of plug ins , etc..
can be found,

unfortunately not found related , after various researches
then this thread .

(big : P.O.S. , apart)

[JFreak]

Digital audio is just math. With some simplifications, as long as you have nailed your gain staging it should sound just the same.

[ejsongs]

simple answer is yes tdm and pt native/hdx sound a bit different. its a bit challenging to really compare unless you are going through same convertors but i did it. gain staging as previously mentioned is different and you must make sure that tdm is not distorting.

as far as bouncing I much prefer bouncing to disk in hdx/native to same function in pt tdm. I abandoned btd in TDM many years ago. btd in hdx/pt native is much improved.

ej

[YYR123]

Originally Posted by zavid

but only the ears can say the truth !

reason why i asked (if possible) audio files comparison ,
and better more with video like on youtube many real time comparison between different outboards (big : P.O.S. , apart)

Well youtube might skew your ears as well.....due to it's compression format.

(big : P.O.S. , apart)




BScout ;^)

[gives]

Originally Posted by Drew Mazurek

I think you've got a few things mixed up. TDM technology isn't used anymore. Study up on the history of PT and you'll see that transition about 10 years ago.

As for the current AAX Native and AAX DSP variants of PT plugins, for all intents and purposes they sound identical. And Pro Tools itself DOES sound identical whether you're running it natively (PTSW, PTHD Native PCIe/TB) or on an HDX card.

Hope this helps.

Drew speaks the truth here and I totally agree having gone thru the whole TDM versions from the beginning. To be honest, I don't miss those days at all. I think the AAX plugs sound better and are more stable that RTAS ever was.

G