my cranesong phoenix was stolen from me by ilok

[John McDaniel]

Originally Posted by DetroitT

The following licenses that were deposited in error were removed from your account:

Publisher Product Number of removed licenses
Eiosis E2Deesser 1
Waves, Inc. Waves GTR3 Amp V7 1
Waves, Inc. Waves GTR3 Stomp V7 1
Waves, Inc. Waves GTR3 ToolRack V7 1
Waves, Inc. Waves GTR3 Tuner V7 1

So, do you have any other versions/licenses (perhaps upgraded to v8 or v9) in your iLok account?

[Eric Lambert]

Originally Posted by Zeljko2

Eric,

If I buy a Revibe or a Phoenix as a part of the deal when I was buying Accel Cards, and have been using them for 10 years, and then I decide to sell it,
and after 2 months after selling that license is been taken away from the Buyer's account saying that it was there by mistake?!
Can you imagine yourself in that position?

Yes, I'd be very frustrated. As I said, no doubt there are folks who are getting screwed, wrongfully, by this situation -- I was just hoping to hear MORE about those situations where legit copies of plugins were revoked.

[John McDaniel]

EXACTLY WHEN were these duplicates created? Over what period of time?

Is it possible that someone had a duplicate for 8 or 10 years? Or, was this duplicate disaster part of the botched ILM rollout?

j

[bigbangs]

Originally Posted by John McDaniel

EXACTLY WHEN were these duplicates created? Over what period of time?

Is it possible that someone had a duplicate for 8 or 10 years? Or, was this duplicate disaster part of the botched ILM rollout?

j

i think is failure about ILM. ILM is not good have much bug with ILM. is better back to ilok web. or dont use ilok anymore

[bigbangs]

Originally Posted by TOM@METRO

I just had ALL of my Waves V8 licenses removed from my ilok. All bought from Waves. There seems to be no recourse. Just eat the losses and move on. As long as ilok is in place, we don't really own anything.

i have problem same like you my all waves license buy from waves want to be remove. and my pcm total bundle want to be remove to. i hope ilok can fix this and responsibility from ilok.

[Bill Denton]

Originally Posted by Eric Lambert

Yes, I'd be very frustrated. As I said, no doubt there are folks who are getting screwed, wrongfully, by this situation -- I was just hoping to hear MORE about those situations where legit copies of plugins were revoked.

Well...

Actually I beat you to the punch on this one, with my post #14 on this thread: http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=353562

And how many responses have I gotten? (cue more tumbleweeds).

I went back and checked some posts I did a couple of years ago, which related to license sales and transfers...back then I pointed out that they were not allowed to sell certain things (per Avid)...several people pointed out that they had been buying and selling licenses for years with no beefs from Avid...I responded that maybe Avid hadn't yet done anything about the "illegal" sales but they could do something anytime they chose to.

And it looks like Avid, and some other plugin developers have decided to do something about it...

[YYR123]

Originally Posted by Bill Denton

hadn't yet done anything about the "illegal" sales but they could do something anytime they chose to.

And it looks like Avid, and some other plugin developers have decided to do something about it...

well illegal sales is a bit harsh - judging by the comments on waves purchases from waves themselves

But I believe this is another thing entirely, and most dev's allow 2nd hand sales

Some with notification and some with fees but most allow them

[propower]

Lodge your legitimate grievances here

http://www.bbb.org/sanjose/business-...jose-ca-220487

[propower]

Originally Posted by mesaone

I think the grievance regarding second-hand licenses is this: iLok exists solely to prevent licenses from being duplicated or used in multiple places simultaneously. That's its only job. In some cases it failed to do its job, and some people are out money and time as a direct result - in many cases, the delay between transfer and flagging exceeded the built-in protections offered by payment services such as PayPal.

Of course there is risk when buying a used license. But that risk is supposed to be mitigated by Pace's direct involvement with all license transfers, not exacerbated by it, as it seems to have been in many cases detailed in this thread.

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Yes! and additionally it is reasonable to add that if PACE transfers a license it has now agreed that this is a valid license (that is the purpose of their system!). Any future discovery of fraud by the seller or accidental duplication by PACE is between PACE, the seller and the developer of the asset. By any moral or ethical compass it is PACE who is responsible to the developer - certainly not the buyer!

[rantanplan]

Originally Posted by propower

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Yes! and additionally it is reasonable to add that if PACE transfers a license it has now agreed that this is a valid license (that is the purpose of their system!). Any future discovery of fraud by the seller or accidental duplication by PACE is between PACE, the seller and the developer of the asset. By any moral or ethical compass it is PACE who is responsible to the developer - certainly not the buyer!

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