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Old 08-03-2020, 07:25 AM
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That was a pretty heavy transition, for what it is worth. Nobody in their right mind would have had OSX as primary system before 2003, which is just when DigiDesign released PT6 on OSX.
I remember quite well. Also that developer kits were given out well before OSX 10.0. But who says the transition will be less complicated for Avid this time?

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Old 08-03-2020, 07:28 AM
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I remember quite well. Also that developer kits were given out well before OSX 10.0. But who says the transition will be less complicated for Avid this time?
That was software transition, this time it is hardware. Better comparison would be Apple going from PPC OSX to Intel OSX and this time it is just that; going from Intel to ARM.

Think of PT7.2 (last PPC-only) to PT7.3 (first Universal Binary), that was all in 2006
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Old 08-03-2020, 07:34 AM
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I happen to know this previous transition very well as I was in PT beta team in PT7/8 era
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Old 08-03-2020, 07:34 AM
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Did anyone expect Avid release Catalina compatible version within 12 months? It did realise.
Actually I would expect them to release a compatible version on the day of the update. They have the betas way before.

And actually it's not about what I expect of them but what they should deliver for the money!
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Old 08-03-2020, 07:36 AM
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Actually I would expect them to release a compatible version on the day of the update. They have the betas way before.

And actually it's not about what I expect of them but what they should deliver for the money!
Day of OS update will never happen as companies like Avid need GM before they make final decisions. That is, assuming OS vendor will not delay release as per their customer requests...
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Old 08-03-2020, 10:09 AM
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As I have said repeatedly, for £200 I can buy Logic Pro X and receive free updates until a new major version arrives. That money is far better spent elsewhere. Sure I love Pro Tools but it is probably time to stick with what I have, even bearing in mind the punitive policies Avid have in place to return to the fold?
Depends on if you're willing to face the learning curve and change your workflow. We've got several composers in house and they use either Live or Logic. Of the 44 show the producers had out before Covid only two that I know of used Pro Tools in the creation. That was because the shows were based on remixed masters of the pop/rock stars those shows are based on. We use PT for tracking, sound tracks, programming playback (virtual soundcheck) film and TV and general tracking but typically not for music composition.

You can download Logic and demo it for 90 days to see if it works for you. With a month left on your PT sub it's enough time to see it you like it and it fits your workflow. I see an inordinate amount of focus on the tool compared to the end result. Our deliverable, the music, score, whatever is the key not necessarily the tool used to create it.

If you don't have to work outside or have clients that need/want you to be PT compatible and are willing to take a hit in productivity as you change workflows it makes sense. If you're in an environment where time is money you'll pay for a few years of PT upgrades before you're fluent enough in the other platform as you were in PT. Two days training per tech (and that's still only enough for pro level basics) is about two years of upgrades.

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... or minus X days if he buys that developer box
He won't be able to get a transition kit. The supply is constrained as of last week priority is restricted to those with current MacOS apps in the store or if you can prove you've shipped. I've had a couple of iOS/iPad apps for a few years and I'm still on the list. Technically you're only licensing the system as Apple says you'll have to return it.

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Day of OS update will never happen as companies like Avid need GM before they make final decisions. That is, assuming OS vendor will not delay release as per their customer requests...
Other major devs have been able to get enough info to work concurrently with the releases. At WWDC the entire Big Sur presentation was on a transition kit Mini including all the third party demo apps running native or in Rosetta 2.

I don't know if the old wounds between Avid and Apple have fully healed. There was quite a bit of bad blood when the Logic release around 2004/2005 came out. At one point at NAMM (IIRC 2005) there was not a Mac to be seen in the gigantic Avid/Digidesign booth including with the live console offerings. It was Dell everywhere and the rumors were Digi was so pissed about Logic they were going to phase out PT from MacOS.

Of course that never happened but there are high profile devs that get a leg up on the rest of us pleebs that can't get it until beta 1 is available. They don't need a GM to start building and working with the framework. It's not best practice software engineering to wait that long. They would likely have access to at least a couple of transition kits on day one assuming whatever hatchet has been buried between them.

The release timings for PT are purposeful and for whatever reason it takes Avid quite a bit longer than the other major devs to catch up. Be it a resource constraint or complexity of a codebase that's been layered on year over year or something else I don't know. For example they had a two year notice that 32 bit apps were on the way out. Apple nagged the devs every chance they got the 32 bit was going away. Yet for the QT importer Avid didn't have a 64 bit version when 32 bit were deep sixed. That's either poor engineering management, lack of resources of a biz dev/marketing decision. Any way you look at it maximum ball dropping for something that's a daily use case for post.
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Old 08-04-2020, 09:51 AM
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Stephen, I've been using the lockdown time to learn Logic Pro X. Like you I've been a Pro Tools user for many years. Logic is a wonderful DAW. I don't know what your work flow is like or the nature of your sessions but I find I can do anything that I did in Pro Tools with Logic. Some things even better.

If you're a sound designer and do a lot of heavy editing in the Edit Window, I can see sticking with PT. If you're running a big studio with lots of engineers using lots of inputs, PT is still likely the langua franca that is common to all.

But if your operation involves making music, both with audio and especially with MIDI, Logic Pro X delivers amazing value. And you'll spend far more time getting work done and less time being an IT guy.

My Avid renewal comes up in December. They won't be getting my money.
OK bro, I hear you.
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Old 08-04-2020, 01:02 PM
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I made the jump to Presonus Studio One 5 and not looking back.
I was a pro tools user since version 6 with TDM and HDX cards and all their outboard gear. Sold off all Avid stuff.
Studio One 5 is the ticket.
Sorry Avid...
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I made the jump to Presonus Studio One 5 and not looking back.
I was a pro tools user since version 6 with TDM and HDX cards and all their outboard gear. Sold off all Avid stuff.
Studio One 5 is the ticket.
Sorry Avid...
Same here my friend! Sold all my Avid gear a few years ago and things have been so much more stable using the Universal Audio stuff. Loving those two together.
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Old 08-05-2020, 07:27 AM
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I made the jump to Presonus Studio One 5 and not looking back.
I was a pro tools user since version 6 with TDM and HDX cards and all their outboard gear. Sold off all Avid stuff.
Studio One 5 is the ticket.
Sorry Avid...
Same here. Been using Pro Tools since PTLE 5.1 in 2000.
Subscription and pricing are not worth it, and Studio One has way better performance on my machine.
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