Love em or Hate Waves finally puts DLS bundles on sale

[Brandonx1]

Ok I get it now. So you would be limited to 32 io and can't use a sync hd. Got it.

[Table Syrup Records]

Actually 64
"DLI/DLS can stream up to 64 channels, which you can use for processing or I/Os—or both."

You can also use your existing TDM plugs if you have em :)

I would think you could still use a Sync HD, with PT setup for it, and in the Waves pref's, set source to external ??
Worst case, in standalone? I would have to look into this one.
Even if you could, I'm not sure you'd want to or need to.... I'm betting on very solid clocks in the Waves hardware.
AAAAAND, all the clocking is remote controlled anyway, just like with Sync HD, so what's the advantage of it? I doubt there is one.


Here is a good read:
http://www.waves.com/1lib/pdf/hardwa...dli-manual.pdf

[Brandonx1]

Originally Posted by Table Syrup Records

Actually 64
"DLI/DLS can stream up to 64 channels, which you can use for processing or I/Os—or both."

You can also use your existing TDM plugs if you have em :)

I would think you could still use a Sync HD, with PT setup for it, and in the Waves pref's, set source to external ??
Worst case, in standalone? I would have to look into this one.
Even if you could, I'm not sure you'd want to or need to.... I'm betting on very solid clocks in the Waves hardware.
AAAAAND, all the clocking is remote controlled anyway, just like with Sync HD, so what's the advantage of it? I doubt there is one.

This can't be right. If you are not using hdn or hdx, pro tools is limited to 32 I/o. Sync hd is very important for post production. You need it for machine control, sync to video and a bunch of other functions.

We have 2 different scenarios here.

1. Use the waves server as a sound card. Limited as above

2. Use hd native or hdx as a the playback engine in pt and you have to go in and out of the hardware buffer plus waves hardware latency for any processing.

How does this waves server work with an avid control surface? Can you edit a plug in or even use pro tools automation with it?

Anyway, I don't really care much. I really don't like any waves plug ins. I find way better alternitives in other 3rd party plug ins.


Here is a good read:
http://www.waves.com/1lib/pdf/hardwa...dli-manual.pdf

[Table Syrup Records]

64 I/O with HD, 32 with Vanilla. Vanilla is limited to 32 with ANY hardware

Also, I'm still THINKING with HDN/HDX you could control a SyncHD, and set Waves units to external clock - tadda - eveything still works via Sync HD as you wanted it to.... Again, I have yet to confirm this, but I am betting you can.

Even HDX users could benefit from it. A single DLS spanks the plugin instance capability of a single HDX at a fraction of the cost.

For HDN Users it is even a sick deal, PTHD features, Offload DSP, - far cheaper than the upgrade path to DSP and more powerful

Had Waves DLS been out, at the time I upgraded to HDN, I would most likely have gone Waves.... and next time I expand or upgrade, I will most likely be going there.....

Just my $.02

Not trying to argue with you, it seems you obviously don't like it.
So it's not for you. But for many of us, this is a great solution.

You know, all these things in 'question' could be answered with probably a 5 minute phone call to Waves lol

[JFreak]

HD software supports unlimited i/o but the actual numbers depend on the hardware.

For example, HDN is 64 i/o max.

[Table Syrup Records]

Correct, and PT Vanilla is still limited to 32. HD is 64.

http://www.avid.com/US/products/Pro-...Specifications

Supported tracks:

Pro Tools 11
96/48/24 maximum simultaneous audio tracks @ 48/96/192 kHz
Up to 32 Inputs and 32 maximum simultaneous audio record tracks
128 Instrument Tracks
512 MIDI tracks
128 auxiliary tracks
256 busses
1 video track

Pro Tools | HD 11
768/384/192* maximum simultaneous audio tracks @ 48/96/192 kHz
Up to 192 Inputs and a maximum of 256 simultaneous audio record tracks
256 Instrument Tracks
512 MIDI tracks
512 auxiliary tracks
256 busses
64 video tracks

[propower]

Such a complicated product -

Sure - hook up and record low latency with WAVES (AVID i/o to DLS to Ethernet to Computer) - but now if you want to use someone else's plug in - BAM - 5 ms latency! (HDN was way less).

So you go through HDN - now the DLS has 2X the buffer setting + A/D D/A + 0.8ms - Native Waves in HDN is lower latency.

Now there are a ton of scenarios where DLS shines - but it can be very complicated. And like HDX - really works best if you only record with what runs on the DLS. Sadly the easiest integration is with HDX! But how many would do that.

[Brandonx1]

Originally Posted by propower

Such a complicated product -

Sure - hook up and record low latency with WAVES (AVID i/o to DLS to Ethernet to Computer) - but now if you want to use someone else's plug in - BAM - 5 ms latency! (HDN was way less).

So you go through HDN - now the DLS has 2X the buffer setting + A/D D/A + 0.8ms - Native Waves in HDN is lower latency.

Now there are a ton of scenarios where DLS shines - but it can be very complicated. And like HDX - really works best if you only record with what runs on the DLS. Sadly the easiest integration is with HDX! But how many would do that.

This is what I am trying to say. table syrup is conflating configurations. It's one or the other. You can use HDX hardware and get x2 the hardware buffer then using the waves thing OR you can use the waves thing as a sound card and get limited Io (32), just about the same latency unless you use any other plug in besides what runs on the waves server and no machine control or sync IO.

In reality, if you want to use PT and waves plug ins it's better to just use the waves native AAX plug in in pro tools and buy a fast, modern computer. Attaching the waves server won't get you better latency or more plug ins. It's just another thing to upgrade in a year and limits the hell out of your PT system in any configuration.

[JFreak]

Waves have their own agenda now, they have completely 180-degreed on us. I won't be spending any money on their products anymore. Hopefully someone creates a C6 clone/killer and I will be a happy camper...

[Drew Mazurek]

Originally Posted by JFreak

Waves have their own agenda now, they have completely 180-degreed on us. I won't be spending any money on their products anymore. Hopefully someone creates a C6 clone/killer and I will be a happy camper...

On the bright side, they are selling single plugins at reasonable prices (especially if you watch the sales) I've gotten C6 for $75, L3 for $84, etc.. and just use the native versions.