Bounces with effects not delay compensated

[Ash06]

Hi,

Sent this message to digi support too but have yet to receive a reply...

I have a track to bounce and import back into the session. The track has a plugin on it, for example, Waves X-noise which issues 5012 samples delay.

The manual states that bouncing a track with plugins on will be compensated for the amount incured, and the track will import perfectly back into the session showing no delay.

This isn't the case though, as when I import the bounced track back into the session you can see and hear the delay when placed alongside the original.

Please can someone help asap.

P..s nudging the track back in time doesn't help as it means the end of the track is cut off, so the track or loop is out.

Thanks in advance.

Ash

[OddsAre]

what manual says that and what page? LE has no Auto Delay Compensation, and yeah Waves plugins love to be latent, especially the utility ones. I was doing the same sort of thing today with Waves Tune Lite... tuning Ebowed guitar. all you can do is nudge it back once you inport it in. but to fix the cutting off part, extend your bounce area passed the end of the part like 4 or 5 seconds... or more. Leave room at the end for the latency... then you can use the end of the bounced clip to line back up with the end of the original. worked for me, but placing ebowed guitar back in a mix is far from surgical... there is a lot of play.

[smsjr]

Identify the delay time, which you have, then highlight regions on the track and hit option-H to bring up the shift window. There you can tell it to shift earlier or later and by how much, for example 5000 samples. Boom, done. Of course, can be a pain if you have tons of tracks to compensate for, but no ADC yet for LE, so just have to take the manual approach.

Steve

[Ash06]

Shift doesn't help because of the cut part at the end when nudging back, and we shouldn't have to extend the bounce selection as it says in the manual/help pdf (search for bounce and you'll find it) that bounces should be delay compensated for importing back into sessions.

Can Digi tech support please chime in here, it's either a bug or a big miss-print in the manual.

Please asap!

[smsjr]

It may be a case of semantics. It is a tricky paragraph. I wonder if it means that if you have plugins on aux tracks and say the master bus, where I don't think you'd be able to compensate for, then Pro Tools is compensating for those tracks during the bounce. So, let's say you manually adjust on all your individual tracks and then you have a Master Bus that has a Limiter on it which introduces a delay of 128 samples. Pro Tools LE has no way of compensating for the individual tracks, hence the need to manually adjust, but it does have the ability to compensate for the Master Bus delay.

Does this make sense? Someone from Digi may need to clarify. If what I just said isn't correct, then the only other thing I can guess that paragraph means is that the bounce process itself is introducing delay, and Pro Tools is able to compensate for it.

Steve

[Ash06]

I get what you mean, but surely it should compensate for individual tracks too during the bounce. Will wait and see if DIGI reply to me or here. I hope!

[smsjr]

Yeah, ADC is a highly requested feature for PT LE, as is the ability to do surround. These are features that are common in other apps, but have yet to appear in PT LE. So, we have to wait and see what Digidesign is going to do in that regard. With a pretty established user base, they may decide to hold back those features and leave you to upgrade to HD.

Steve

[Slim Shady]

I get what you mean, but surely it should compensate for individual tracks too during the bounce. Will wait and see if DIGI reply to me or here. I hope!

Without ADC that is exactly what you need to do. PTLE does not have any ADC, therefore a-nudging you will go!

[Ash06]

Without ADC that is exactly what you need to do. PTLE does not have any ADC, therefore a-nudging you will go!

So the manual is wrong?

I'll see what happens re ADC when I start beta testing next month

[Slim Shady]

Hey,

I found the section in the manual you were talking about. I think you maybe misread it. Here's the exact verbage with a little highighting by me...

Pro Tools compensates for any bus and plug-in delays due to a bounce. This means that if a bounce file is imported back into a session, and placed directly in time against the source mix, it is time-aligned with the original mix source

The important words here are "due to a bounce" - not delay caused by plug-ins on individual tracks, because those delays existed before the bounce - they weren't caused "due to" bouncing to disk. I would imagine this is covering things like bus summing etc. which may induce a little delay during the calculations when the bounce is happening.

Hopefully that makes sense now.