Eleven Rack through Stereo Power Amp

[brewboy73]

Hi
Need some help. I have the Eleven Rack and I'm running it through a Mesa/Boogie Stereo 50/50 Power amp. I have a stereo 2x12 Mesa Recto cab. I have connected the rack to the amp through the XLR Main outs that are also TRS.
My problem...I keep getting an overdriven, static sound when using high gain. My first though was to back off on the gain, but when I do, the sound gets very thin. I think that I have an issue with the setup on the rack. What would be the best options for the amp/rig inputs and outputs. I was using the amp outs 1 and 2, but switching to the XLR's did help out a bit. I think there is a parameter that I do not have set right. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

[Darryl Ramm]

You should be using the main outs not amp1/2, so that seems good. But you will have to play with gain staging to see what sounds best. What are all the Eleven Rack volumes set to? rig and master? What amp sim is being used and what gain etc. settings in that sim? Turn off all other effects to start with.

What do you have the Mesa's power amp level control set to? Does adjusting that make this problem better?

What guitar and pickup are being used? For a test initially unplug the guitar and cable from the front of the Eleven Rack.

What is the firmware revision of the Eleven Rack?

And are you sure what you are hearing is not an authentic type hiss sound from a high gain amp? Can you describe the sound in more detail or provide a sample or example of what it sounded like?

What do you hear with a good pair of headphones in the Eleven Rack?

You should start with the entire cab block and speaker breakup turned off in the Eleven rack. You may find later in fine tuning this that adding some speaker breakup back in to improve the sound (its not intuitive but speaker breakup is independent of whether the cab sim is engaged on not--for just this reason, its a handy tweek to be able to use).

Is the Mesa amp known to work well/sound OK if fed from a valve preamp?

Failing that post online some PT screenshots showing the ER Rig setup and recordings of the sound problems if you can.

Darryl

[dayvid]

Originally Posted by Darryl Ramm

You should be using the main outs not amp1/2, so that seems good.
Darryl

I'm confused here, i have the same setup as he does and i run my output trough the amp2 output > MB 50/50 > Cabs
Setting of amp2: amp output

And use my XLR main outputs to go to my main monitors for my DAW (i also use my 11R as a sound interface when i mix and record)

So you are saying that i should connect my Mesa through my main ouputs?

[brewboy73]

I was originally using the amp 1 & 2 outs. I switched to the main outs with the XLR outs and improved the sound dramatically.....except for the issue that I'm having. Make sure that if you are running the power amp stereo that you use XLR to TRS cables for stereo. Not standard TR.

Sean

[dayvid]

But then my mix also will go through my cabs.

I will give it a try tonight and see if the sound is better, although i do not have complaints now.

You have CAB emulation on? Does that sound good? I usually found that without CAB emulation it sounded allot better through my cabs.

[leftyjp]

Hi,

I heard the clip. It sounds like interferences or something, might hardly come from the eleven rack since it disappear when you turn the tone pot. It should come from somewhere between the guitar and the jack.

Stupid suggestions : have you tried with another guitar ? Have you ckecked the jack wire from guitar to eleven rack ?

I am not a specialist. Take my words "as is" :)

[DAR Fritz]

When you say "static" I remember having static issues on my Tele and someone suggested rubbing the pickgauard with a fabric softener dryer sheet. I was sceptical until I tried it, and it worked. This may not be your problem but I thought I'd mention it.

[brewboy73]

OK, here we go....
I'm using a Gibson Les Paul with Bare Knuckle Pickups. War Pig and Cold Sweat humbuckers. I have turned off all efffects and ran just the dry signal. The sound that I get is really prevalent when you palm mute. I get a very strong crackle sound after I strike the strings while the notes ring out. The boogie power amp is actually set very low. I dont play very loud. Not a need to in my office. The firmware that I'm using is 2.0.1 with build 0.1.5.7. Just bought it a month ago. I was using the Power amp with a Rocktron Chameleon 2000 and it sounded amazing. Really tight through the mesa cabinet. I also use a BBE rack mount sonic maximizer. I have some new TRS cables coming in. I'm hoping that the issue will be solved with better cables. The rig volume is at -4db and I keep the out to amp 1 and 2 at 0. I use the XLR mains anyways. I also keep the cab sim off. Found a great video on youtube on how to cut a lot of the mud with using the parametric eq. Helped a bit and also using one of the distortion pedals as a filter. Thanks for the responses....

Sean

[Darryl Ramm]

Originally Posted by brewboy73

OK, here we go....
I'm using a Gibson Les Paul with Bare Knuckle Pickups. War Pig and Cold Sweat humbuckers. I have turned off all efffects and ran just the dry signal. The sound that I get is really prevalent when you palm mute. I get a very strong crackle sound after I strike the strings while the notes ring out. The boogie power amp is actually set very low. I dont play very loud. Not a need to in my office. The firmware that I'm using is 2.0.1 with build 0.1.5.7. Just bought it a month ago. I was using the Power amp with a Rocktron Chameleon 2000 and it sounded amazing. Really tight through the mesa cabinet. I also use a BBE rack mount sonic maximizer. I have some new TRS cables coming in. I'm hoping that the issue will be solved with better cables. The rig volume is at -4db and I keep the out to amp 1 and 2 at 0. I use the XLR mains anyways. I also keep the cab sim off. Found a great video on youtube on how to cut a lot of the mud with using the parametric eq. Helped a bit and also using one of the distortion pedals as a filter. Thanks for the responses....

Sean

Are you are sure you don't get this when using a real reasonably high gain amp. If you are slapping the strings even gently I'd suspect everything from the guitar cable jack or plug wiring, pickup wiring or faulty pickups themselves. Its hard to think of something specific in the Eleven Rack that would do this. I would spend some time tapping around the pickups with a guitar pick and try wiggling the cable/connectors and see if the noise happens.

If its a mere very gently laying on of fingers will do this then it more sounds like an earthing problem. Possibly your guitar has bad earth wiring to the instrument cable or your Eleven Rack is not plugged into a well earthed outlet.

One final suggestion is make sure the noise gate is not fooling you. e.g. The gate closed and when you hit the string it now opens and you hear what was there before but gated. Do some tests with the noise gate (Amp block second screen in the front panel UI) turned totally off.

Darryl

[brewboy73]

I thought the exact thing with the noise gate. So I shut the gate off completely and got the same results. I switched pickups over from EMG's to Bare Knuckles. The Bare Knuckles are way hotter than the EMG's, but the sounds that I hear are not microphonic. Dont think that the pickups need to be repotted. I should have the new patch cables in a day or two. Really hoping that this will be resolved just from having crappy cables. I'll let everyone know once I get them installed. Thanks again

Sean