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Old 04-24-2013, 01:58 PM
thesuitelounge thesuitelounge is offline
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Default Advice on HD Native

Considering an HD Native purchase and would appreciate your input.

Singer/Songwriter/Producer with home studio currently using PTLE 8 / 003R / iMac with some good outboard (pre's & compressor).

System is ROCK solid; hesitant to change ANYTHING, except for wanting better conversion and a more professional & robust system. Also interested in adding UAD-2 (better plugins) to the mix.

PT HD Native (PT10/11/HD IO 8x8 w/PCIe + Mac Pro + Display + UAD-2 PCIe)

-Better converters
-Integrated, all AVID software and hardware, all PT workflow
-Using PCIe for interface and UAD, plus audio drives all in the Mac Pro (no FW drives as with iMac)
-PT HD; having a tested, proven, rock solid system to last a few years

-More $ spent overall (looking at Mac Pro to add PCIe for UAD-2 card, plus display, monitoring amp
-Latency/buffer errors (it's still not HDX!)
-Noise: Mac Pro plus Avid IO fans in small tracking room

Also considering UA Apollo: (PT 10/11 + Apollo + iMac)

-Thunderbolt - could buy iMac instead of Mac Pro
-Tracking with plug ins
-Less $ spent overall (don't have to buy PCIe version of UAD, monitoring amp system, computer & display savings)
-Quiet; "elegant" thunderbolt setup vs "clunkier" Mac Pro / PCIe cards

-Adding use of Console to simple comfortable Pro Tools workflow
-Adding Core Audio drivers/additional party's hardware into the system
-Converters not as good as Avid IO
-Another "all in one box" with iMac - too lateral/not enough of a step up
-FW hard drives (vs internal)

Looking forward to your feedback.
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Old 04-24-2013, 04:55 PM
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Drew Mazurek Drew Mazurek is offline
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Default Re: Advice on HD Native

tough call. You've laid out nicely the + and - aspects.

Probably hard for an outsider to help much without being inside your head.

Having said that.....

I run HD Native and UAD cards, so I have one of the setups you're considering. (in addition to an HD4 TDM rig that is collecting dust)

1. The Avid HD I/O boxes sound EXCELLENT.
2. There's NOTHING clunky about a tower and PCI cards. In fact, UAD is definitely better on the cards.
3. None of the alternatives will be any more robust or "pro" other than the fact that the HD system will get you the benefits of the HD software. VCAs, Disk Cache, expanded metering in PT11, and the quality of the conversion.
4. I cannot have fans in the control room and I don't even track in here. (once you've had a machine room, there's no turning back)

The rest is just personal preference.

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Old 04-24-2013, 05:13 PM
Craig F Craig F is offline
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Default Re: Advice on HD Native

-FW hard drives (vs internal)
could do ext. drive via TB

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PT11 System Requirements link http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/C...m-Requirements

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Old 04-24-2013, 06:23 PM
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Default Re: Advice on HD Native

How about improving your converters and leaving the rest as is? You didn't mention the outboard pre/compressors, but you could easily feed a pair of preamp/compressor chains into a high end A>D from Lavry, Apogee, etc. And you could also come out via SPDIF to a good D>A converter(same brands come to mind). HD/Native is tops on my list as well, but I need more IO than you(but my 003 with outboard is covering my present needs or 18 in and 8 out). Having looked long and hard at 3rd party hardware, I keep coming back to Avid/Digi due to the(what I call) elegant simplicity in how factory hardware works. HD/Native/Omni could be a great setup for you, no doubt about that, but great converters would/could save you a couple of grand with a similar improvement in audio. My "money" channels go in via digital(bypassing the 003 converters) and clients are quite happy. Food for thought
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:39 PM
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Default Re: Advice on HD Native

The Mac Pro is quiet enough to have close by. This should not be an issue. And you can get cheaper displays and aren't forced to use Apple's.

Also, there's more options than ever for drives and UAD stuff, such as USB 3 drives, and PCIe to Thunderbolt adapters, if you decide to go with an Imac or laptop.
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Old 05-01-2013, 02:26 AM
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I would wait till 11 is out to see how it performs with third party hardware.

I went the hd native route and I am back to third party hardware now, because I could not stand the noise of the hd I/o fan and made a couple double blind test which showed that the avid converters are way over rated. The are not even close to mytek, lynx or metric halo.

And after severel month using third party hardware now. I can say hat it is even more stable than the hd native setup.
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