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Old 01-24-2015, 09:46 AM
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Totally understand that decision actually.
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Old 01-24-2015, 09:52 AM
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I read about many studios that refuse to allow production machines on the internet. It makes sense in a production environment.
I know of one huge TV station that has disabled all the USB thumb drives in all computers. You also can't use portable hard drives. They are connected to the Internet through their corporate firewall. They do provide guest access WiFi but you can't connect to their internal Internet.
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Old 01-24-2015, 10:06 AM
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I have no fear over the direction that Avid is trying to head in, because it will pretty much work itself out in the end, as it always has to some extent.

It's the same thing that the IT industry has been doing for a number of years now, trying to push everyone to the cloud and into Managed Service contracts. My overall view of these models is that they obviously work out well for the provider, bringing in steadier revenue streams every month. The problem is that, at least in my experience with an established client base, very few business owners were biting when it came to Managed Service agreements (ie. Avid Support Plan). Only in a few cases did we see it have a substantial benefit for small to medium business owners, which were the majority of our clients. I don't need, well, ANY direct support from Avid other than them working on bug fixes behind the scenes, and I'd hate to see money diverted from that into beefing up call centers or other superfluous "customer service" that seasoned PT users don't need.

In the case of cloud services (ie. Pro Tools Cloud Collaboration features) we did see more interest, and clients were buying reasonably priced a-la-carte services based on their needs. The vast majority of us are not going to be using the Cloud stuff, at least not now. It should be sold as an add-on for businesses (post houses etc.) that would really benefit from it. Again, I'd hate to see Avid dumping money into servers or whatever other expenses they will need to incur to make this work, over bug fixes and universally useful features.

The conclusion that myself and my old IT employer came to is that, while we will continue to offer Managed Service agreements and cloud services, there is an extent to which pushing that kind of stuff on clients just pisses them off. They will call us when they need us, and that's fine with both of us, we are happy to be there to help when the need arises. I hope Avid sees that that is how the relationship should be, a happy arrangement for everyone involved. You wanna charge me more for Vanilla licenses and version updates? Fine, charge me $1k for new licenses and $300-$400 for version upgrades, if and when I want or need them. But at this point, I don't want them in my pocket for support plans or subscriptions. Perhaps that might change in the future, but Avid needs to understand that they need to establish value in what they are peddling and ease us into it, again, if and when we want or need those services. At my old employer it became quite clear to us that pushing people too hard towards the model we wanted them to be in was never going to work for some clients, and the ones that were biting at all needed to test the waters before committing.

Why am I not fearful of what Avid is doing? Because either it's going to work out for everyone or it's not. If it does, and there is real value in what they are selling, everyone will be happy. If it doesn't, and no one is biting, then they will eventually come to their senses, abandon it, and pick up the pieces and move on (whatever that will entail). I'm parking my licenses on the versions they are currently at and getting my rigs stable in preparation.

I will say one thing...if I ever told any of our Managed Service clients that, if they didn't renew their agreement with us, that we were going to hit them with a big charge to get them reinstated, they would have laughed in my face. That's just plain extortion. I'm still a bit confused as to how everything is going down, but this particular point, if true, is just asking to piss people off.
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Old 01-24-2015, 10:23 AM
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That demo was from the NAB last year in April. So the freeze feature was working in that demo. I have no idea why it has not been included in current shipping software.

All the printed info I have seen describing PT12 features does not mention Freeze. Agreed it would be a nice feature to include. Maybe we have to wait for PT13!
I'm sticking with PT 10 if freeze isn't in this update.
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Old 01-24-2015, 10:28 AM
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Do I have to start paying into a subscription plan just to get bug fixes?
They have stated that bug fixes are free, with or without a support plan.
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Old 01-24-2015, 10:47 AM
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They have stated that bug fixes are free, with or without a support plan.
... on PT11, up to end 2015.

Hopefully, at that point, all PT11 functionality will be perfect and stable and Apple won't do anything in future OSX updates to break it :)
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Old 01-24-2015, 12:48 PM
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... on PT11, up to end 2015.
Where is it stated that there is a specific cutoff date for bug fixes?
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Old 01-24-2015, 01:13 PM
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Where is it stated that there is a specific cutoff date for bug fixes?
Here: http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/e...icensing-FAQ#2

Q. Will I still get bug fix updates if I don't get an upgrade and support plan?
A. We will continue to release Pro Tools 11 bug fix only updates at no cost through December 31, 2015.
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Old 01-24-2015, 01:14 PM
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Where is it stated that there is a specific cutoff date for bug fixes?

See post #41 mesaone - http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?p...ce#post2224342
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Old 01-24-2015, 01:14 PM
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Thanks. That's news to me, I guess Dec '15 is when PT11 reaches EOL
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