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Old 09-17-2001, 04:55 PM
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Default Hand de-essing tips please!

Would someone be so kind as to give me details of how to de-ess vocals? (with volume editing not hardware outboard de-essers or plug ins)
Some power user / speed tips would be much appreciated! (has tab to transient got anything to do with it? how do you do that anyway?!)

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Old 09-17-2001, 08:33 PM
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Default Re: Hand de-essing tips please!

Jules,
Don't know if the "Tab to Transient" feature will always work for de-essing. Sometimes it's not the beginning of the "S" that's the problem. I usually draw a volume move through different parts of the "s" until it feels natural. Sometimes I'll use a fade if the "s" bothers me in a recording session before automating the vocal (if the "s" is at the beginning or end of a phrase). If you hand de-ess often enough you'll get the hang of it and it'll take no time to clean a vocal track.

To Tab to Transient, click on the button to the left of the small"a-z" button on the upper left side of the edit window.
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Old 09-17-2001, 10:21 PM
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Default Re: Hand de-essing tips please!

Well its not dessing technically without eq. I get it t o sound better first with volume writing in the PT volume Data line thing in the edit window. Then I automate a P2 in filter bank particularly the Q and DB of attenuation. If the vocal was ecorded horendously and this HAS to sound like it was recorded in a world class studio Ill then uise a high ratio in compressor bank and automate the threshold a little to.
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Old 09-18-2001, 05:54 AM
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Default Re: Hand de-essing tips please!

I'ts the volume writing I am looking for speed / power user tips on..

Thanks so far...

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P.S. I just thought, I could 'apple v' - paste a set volume dip at each ess then go back and fine tune em all...

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Old 09-18-2001, 01:41 PM
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Default Re: Hand de-essing tips please!

I used to paste the volume dips I found it a lot easier to do volume dips with as control surface the first time then go back and fine tune em all.
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Old 09-18-2001, 05:12 PM
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Default Re: Hand de-essing tips please!

Pasting the dips is a pretty good idea, but some esses are longer than others...

I tend to drag over the ess with the selector (with the volume line showing) and then drag the selection down with the trimmer tool. Maybe the smart tool thing would be a time saver here, but I'm so used to using the f keys to select tools...


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Old 09-19-2001, 01:52 PM
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Default Re: Hand de-essing tips please!

Wow, this sho' is a hot topic lately.

With that said, here's my shortcut. I hate drawing volume curves on each and every friggin' ess sound, takes forever even if you're pasting curves. What I've been doing instead is regionalizing all those problem esses, and moving them to a new track assigned to the same output. Then you can adjust the "ess" track's volume fader down to taste. If done right, this should be sonically seamless and is way cooler than drawing down all those esses in the vocal track, only to realize that you didn't pull the sibilance down far enough (or did it too much). No problem, just yank on the volume fader rather than manually re-drawing all those volume curves.

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Old 09-19-2001, 07:17 PM
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Brilliant!

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Old 09-20-2001, 09:00 AM
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EJolson,

Now that is one cool tip! Thanks!

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Old 09-20-2001, 07:12 PM
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Default Re: Hand de-essing tips please!

Just to add to EJolson's tip

If you use QuicKeys (Like I Do) try this.
It's much quicker.

Make a sequence (In QuicKeys) that types
xpv (This will cut, move up one track, then paste) make that the ESC key.

All you got to do is highlight the S's then hit ESC

Also set both tracks to the same voice.

Also (if you're anal like me) after you tweak the two tracks with Volume Automation, you can then drag the ess's back to the original track. The automation goes with it.

I hope that makes sense
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