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Old 06-25-2017, 10:40 PM
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Default Re: Which Mac to buy? Mini vs Old Mac pro

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MP 4,1 had Nahalem chipset, not i7. Without modification, it could run PT 11.


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Nehalem is very much so an i7..... Each i7 generation has a different chipset. The first i7 chipset is Nehalem.
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Apple indicates the 2017 i7 Mac Mini is dual core, but runs at 3.0 GHz and has a 4MB cache instead of the i5's 3MB cache. With the 3.0
GHz processor, the 16 GB memory upgrade, 1TB PCIe flash storage, trackpad and numeric keyboard, it costs $2,257. Makes a trash can seem affordable.

Curious now that you mentioned issues with the 2009 tower. I see that Pro Tools did not support Sierra until PT version 12.6. Looks like with PT 12.4 mine will be stuck at 10.11.6 for a while even though it has the 5,1 firmware, 64GB of RAM, and a 3.46 GHz hex core CPU with 12MB of cache. Or I could try Sierra with 12.7.1, just to see if the ole '09 has any heart left.
You didn't price that Mini with Apple ram did you? Hope not.
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You didn't price that Mini with Apple ram did you? Hope not.
The Apple price for the 8 to 16GB RAM upgrade is $200. I think it is soldered in on the 2017 model, isn't it?

A big part of the price mentioned was the 1TB PCIe flash storage for $600, but that is about what OWC gets for it, and the Apple specs look pretty good.

I guess I would pick up a late 2012 i7 2.6 quad core Mini if I just had to have one (and was on a strict budget). Apparently, its chipset, according to Intel, supports 32GB. Not sure if a 32GB memory upgrade is possible though, even though it has two slots. OTOH, it think the PCIe flash storage in the newer machines is superior.

Just thinking the '09 MP towers are not dead yet:

The 2012 2.6GHz i7 "four-core" Mini has a geek bench about 25% higher than the 2009 MP tower single CPU 2.66 (plus the Mini has TB and USB 3).

The 2017 3.0 GHz i7 "dual-core" Mini Geekbench score is about the same as the 2009 MP 2.66 with the stock 4,1 firmware.

But with the single hex core 3.46GHz and 5,1 firmware upgrade to the 2009 quad-core (single CPU) MP, the Geekbench score is about the same as the 2017 top-of-the-line 15" i7 MBP, and about 50% faster than stock '09 MP single CPU tower (and about 50% faster than the 2017 i7 dual-core Mini).

The 2010 (and 2012 or 2009 with 5,1 firmware) 12-core 2.66 towers are about 80% the speed of similar trashcans, but they can be swapped out to dual 3.46 hex cores, which should make that pretty quick.

Apparently the "2017" i7 Mini is the same specs as the 2014 i7 Mini.

If I thought the promised ghostware Mac Pro will have Thunderbolt 3+ ports and would be something I could afford, I would wait it out with a single or dual hex core tower from 2009-2012 (currently off the Windows / Pro Tools bandwagon, but still have three dual CPU towers running PT under Win 7).
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Old 06-26-2017, 07:35 AM
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The 2012 i7 Mac Mini can only support 16Gb total RAM.

The chipset can support 32Gb, but Apple would need to release a Firmware update to enable it which unfortunately they're not gonna do on almost 4 yo machine.


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