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Old 02-17-2012, 03:36 PM
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Default Waverider V2 - just tried it.

So i'm working on a bunch of broadcast gigs and I needed a way to save some time during editorial. I got a copy of WAVERIDER... I took a 50+ minute edit that we did for a project "Super Sellers" and exported as an OMF to protools 10. Then I spent about 5 minutes going through the truckload of clips and doing simple clip level gain in order to match all the gain levels, well, at least in the ballpark( 50+ minutes and 90% of clips are less than 5 seconds. ) . Then I mucked with WAVERIDER a couple of times ( about 5 more minutes )... then fired it off. It ran the project duration, no technical issues. When it completed, I shifted the new volume automation forward in time a few milliseconds... and BINGO! It did a great job of leveling the dialogue. Saved me a few hours. All I had to do was fix two spots where it needed some help, drop a very light compression on the track and print. I'm actually rather amazed at how well it worked. Going to start using it as a first pass on all my long format stuff! I was able to share with my client with no issues... I'll do a final polish during mix, but it just shaved a bunch of work from my project time.

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Old 02-17-2012, 04:01 PM
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Default Re: Waverider V2 - just tried it.

It is very cool, but does take some tweaking to get the settings right. It can ride the fader quite fast on transients! Good idea to slide the automation up a bit after making a pass.

Only project I used it on I used it post compression, which left the hottest regions (didnt have clip gain yet) a little squashed compared to the more natural fader riding of the rest. Next time I would like to try it pre compression and with clip gain level matching the regions first. I havent messed with it enough to figure out exactly what the target ratio is changing. Can anyone clear this up?

Also, when the manual mentions setting the target level the talk about LKFS, but they don't specifically say thats what the target levels are LKFS. I'd be curious to know from someone who has a loudness meter handy if the traget level you shoot for matches the measures LKFS loudness.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:22 PM
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I wish he'd make a PC version
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Default Re: Waverider V2 - just tried it.

Thanks Georgia, I am glad you are enjoying the ride! :)

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but they don't specifically say thats what the target levels are LKFS.
We can't really specify that because it largely depends on the source levels and other processing. But a healthy recorded dialogue will sit around -24 LKFS with Wave Rider set around -21/-22.
In my template I use -21 output and this gives me -24LKFS with other processing like eq, limiting etc going on afterwards.

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I havent messed with it enough to figure out exactly what the target ratio is changing
That determines how the low level signals should be treated, if target ratio is set looser then the low levels won't be hyped as much.

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Old 02-20-2012, 07:30 AM
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Do you have plans for an AAX version?
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Old 02-20-2012, 11:27 AM
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Yes but not DSP.
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:33 AM
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Default Re: Waverider V2 - just tried it.

Didn't we used to call that an AGC? Seriously, I can't find a use for this plug-in. Seems like a complete waste of time. Just set your gain (either clip gain or plug-in) while editing and cleaning up, which you have to do anyway. Quicker, cleaner. Am I missing something here?

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Old 06-07-2013, 06:32 AM
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Didn't we used to call that an AGC? Seriously, I can't find a use for this plug-in. Seems like a complete waste of time. Just set your gain (either clip gain or plug-in) while editing and cleaning up, which you have to do anyway. Quicker, cleaner. Am I missing something here?
I suppose it is a bit like AGC, except you have full control over it. It's great for making sure dialogue is a nice consistent level, very useful for hitting loudness specs and you always have to gain ride, this just does most of the leg work and you can go back over and tweak anything you like later. Best plug-in I've bought for a while..

Yes, if dialogue is too low, you'd set clip gain, but if you don't want to set one overall level per clip but instead change it throughout, this is very useful.

The fact that the volume automation can now be turned to clip-gain is even better as any work done by WaveRider then comes before any plug-ins, so it can mean you don't have to make compressors work too hard (if you even have to use them at all) meaning a much more transparent sound.
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Old 06-07-2013, 10:11 AM
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For me wave rider is great. I use it all the time. We record our church services and I mix them down later. I use it on BGV's in the normal mode to get them to a very consistent level. Then I use it in averaging mode on the bass guitar, lead vox, and speaker mics. Set the track into record automation mode and walk away. I do manually edit out most of the "empty" spots before using wave rider. Then use park on silence and let it do the rest. Anyways I find it very useful.
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