UA Powered Plugins CARD 2.5 more power than MIXFarm TDM !!!

[phobia]

I guess DigiDesign need to act on
this soon if this card deliveres. I guess this card will never be complient with PT LE
and RTAS since it would make TDM so much more
expensive for so much less than today.

I mean (if this is true) 2.5 times (how is it measured ?) DSP power than a TDM MixFarm card
at a price lower than 1/4 of ONLY the DSP TDM MIXFarm Card. And not to meantion, several great SW PlugIns INCLUDED, not sold separatly.

I guess if Digi is not giving any hint at all on their product direction and plans, it is time to look for alternatives.

Ps. I am NOT an UA sales rep.

== OOPS DigiCS has edited my post maybe due to posting info from an RTAS developer. I'll include the link instead and hope that will be allowed: http://www.poweredplugins.com
==

Cheers,
// Joakim W

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[yavuzj]

Hi,

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by phobia:
I guess this card will never be complient with PT LE
and RTAS since it would make TDM so much more
expensive for so much less than today.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Universal Audio says that RTAS support will come with a driver update. They already advertised this. They must have thought about it before they put it on their website.

[phobia]

Hopefully, BUT, I read somewhere that
one must be a qualified DigiDesign 3rd party
developer to do that - officially.

If this thing competes too much who knows
what will happen ...

I am also not sure if RTAS architecture as such easily supports going out of the host for DSP processing ...

Hoping ...

// Joakim W

[yavuzj]

Hi,

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by phobia:
Hopefully, BUT, I read somewhere that
one must be a qualified DigiDesign 3rd party
developer to do that - officially.

If this thing competes too much who knows
what will happen ...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Since Universal Audio already has RTAS Plugs (like Realverb), I assume they have RTAS license. My main concern is the extra PCI bus load that this card is going to bring. If this ends up being a little buggy, Digi may not be quick to fix it. So we will see how good the UAUDIO engineers are..


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[Christoph1123]

I REALLY hope this UA card works out for us Digi 001 users. It would truly be a blessing.

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[Chompers]

why would Digi want to make the TDM system obsolete?
TDM is the bread and butter.
Digi has already crippled the 001 to keep the TDM legacy alive. Dont hold your breath waiting for 001 power add-ons.
I use A $20,000 pro tools MIX++ system at work. the difference between that system and my Digi 001 at home is tiny.
IF the Digi 001 didnt have the smpte taken our of it, tI wouldnt have any reason to buy a TDM system.

[jeronimo]

[img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] I hope that one day... we'll be free!

[yavuzj]

Hi,

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chompers:
why would Digi want to make the TDM system obsolete?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are right. However, if Digi does not, someone else will (i.e. Cubase and Logic or DP). Eventually, (in 4 years or so) even this card is going to be obsolete). Imagine running a Dual processor 8Ghz athlon or quad processor 4Ghz G4 with Altivec coded software...Resistence is Futile [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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[AEW]

Power Core Cards
They are great news, BUT
1. UA is only win PC supported for now.
2. All 3rd party power core cards are not supported by Digi and they don't work like TDM DSP Farm cards.
3. They don't support dual processors (I know either does Digi)
4. The BIG problem is Latency.

Nick

[peteri]

Word to the wise, about a month ago I called Universal Audio and asked them about the RTAS compatability mentioned on their site and they told me that they would like to offer RTAS - but Digi have not given them clearance, nor have they had any indication that this permission would be forthcoming.

I pointed out that this is more than a bit cheeky putting it on their site and they responded that they planned to offer support but that this was entirely dependant on what Digi say - and like I said there is no indication that this is likely to come.

I would imagine that the current deal they have regarding RTAS development would not cover these plugins - otherwise they'd be doing it, all the license has to say is that the plugins developed have to run on the native platform, or TDM.

Regarding the latency issue - this certainly seems to be a problem with the Powercore currently. The other comment about PCI load would also seem to be true.

I'm unclear whether the UA card has on board memory, if it doesn't this could certainly cause problems - as a former Pulsar owner this was always a problem with running more than about 2-3 reverbs on the card.

Also remember latency could always be problematic - with TDM the mixing is also done on the card, as is plugin allocation management. With a UA/TC dsp powered plugin the signal will have to routed in and out of the card along the PCI buss, imagine this happening on a number of inserts on a number of tracks and it all gets a bit hectic.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.

Pete
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