Connecting C24, Digi 192 with outboard?

[tobias123]

Hi!

I´m having troubles connecting a digidesign C24 and digi 192 with external outboard.
Could someone give me advice how to set things up so I can patch in external outboard like compressor and EQ post ?
I use external pre-amps on channel 1-8 and DIGI C24 preamps on 9-16.

I have a signex bantam patchbay CPT96025 and one additional A/D card.

Thanks

/T

[Lizardpoint]

2 digisnakes from the 1-8 and 9-16 pre outs on the C24 to the top row (Positions 1-16) of your patchbay.
2 Digisnakes from the bottow row of your patchbay (Positions 1-16) to your 1-8 and 9-16 inputs on your 192.
With the first 16 sets of jacks normalled you can use all 16 C24 pre's or patch in your fancy pre's by pluggin their outputs into the bottom row of your patchbay.
Another digisnake to take the 8 outputs from your 192 to top row of your patchbay (Positions 17-24).
Then from the bottom row of your patchbay (Positions 17-24) you can connect to your main and alt monitors plus have four other outputs which can be used as insert sends.

Hope this helps

Lizardpoint

[BradLyons]

Honestly? Get yourself a patchbay..... If you'd list EVERY ITEM YOU OWN, I'll see if I can shed some light.

[BradLyons]

Uhhhh nevermind, I'm stupid....didn't read the above post!

[tobias123]

BIG THANKS for your help!

A couple of questions still (Im a newbie...)

Will the monitor part of the C24 still work as it is today?
Don´t understand how to connect to the monitor connection and then to the speakers where I today have a digisnake between the output of the 192 to the monitor connection in the C24.

"With the first 16 sets of jacks normalled you can use all 16 C24 pre's or patch in your fancy pre's by pluggin their outputs into the bottom row of your patchbay"

Which channels in the bottom row of the patchbay do I connect the external pres?

Thanks again,

/T

[Lizardpoint]

Originally Posted by tobias123

BIG THANKS for your help!

Will the monitor part of the C24 still work as it is today?
Don´t understand how to connect to the monitor connection and then to the speakers where I today have a digisnake between the output of the 192 to the monitor connection in the C24.

"With the first 16 sets of jacks normalled you can use all 16 C24 pre's or patch in your fancy pre's by pluggin their outputs into the bottom row of your patchbay"

Which channels in the bottom row of the patchbay do I connect the external pres?

/T

I'm making some assumptions here...

1. I'm assuming you have a patchbay with 2 rows of jacks (Either Bantam or the larger quarter inch jacks)
2. I'm assuming that there are at least 24 jacks on each row of the patchbay
3. I'm assuming that there are jacks on the front and the rear of your patchbay (You can get patchbays that you hard wire (Solder) to but while this is a sonically better option and has less points of failure, it is very inflexible as you have no way to easily reconfigure your studio without a major rewire.

So assuming that your patchbay matches the one in my head, lets go through this again as I can see I didn't make myself clear.

2 digisnakes from the 1-8 and 9-16 pre outs on the C24 to the top row (Positions 1-16 rear) of your patchbay.
2 Digisnakes from the bottow row of your patchbay (Positions 1-16 rear) to your 1-8 and 9-16 inputs on your 192.
With the first 16 sets of jacks normalled you can use all 16 C24 pre's or patch in your fancy pre's by pluggin their outputs into the bottom row on the front of your patchbay.
Another digisnake to take the 8 outputs from your 192 to top row of your patchbay (Positions 17-24 rear).

The convention is that the top row of the patchpay is all outputs and the bottom row is all inputs.

By plugging a jack into the bottom rocw of the patchbay in socket 1 you effectively break the ciruict between the output of pre amp 1 in the C24 and the input to 192 input 1. This is how you patch in your fancy pre's or other line level gear.

I'm heading out now but will be back tomorrow and would be very happy to send you a diagram of my patchbay which is very similar to your setup.
pm me if this would be useful

You connect your main stereo monitors to the rear bottom row of sockets 17 & 18 and your als monitor to 23 & 24

With this configuration, no patchcords need to be inserted to use your system in its normal state. C24 mic pre's 1-16 are normally routed to the 16 inputs on the 192 and the 192 outputs are normally routed to your main and alt monitors.

The C24 output section will work perfectly (Well as perfectly as it can given the stepped volume control and ludicrous noise floor - but thats just how it is with this unit and I hope your one is quiet enough for you)

Cheers

Lizardpoint

[LeafOner]

Lizardpoint,
I have the same question only I use 16 outboard pres rather than my c/24; I use the c/24 for monitoring and control for PT. Also my 192i/o has 16 analog in and out.
my outboard gear includes:
Avalon 737 Channel Strip
UA 8110 8 pre
Focusrite 828 8 pre
UA 1176
Dangerous Audio 2bus summing mixer
24 channel patchbay as you described.
I would like to have my 8110 and 828 normaled as 1-16, rather than the c/24.
Any help would be Appreciated!
Brendan

[Lizardpoint]

Hey LeafOner,

I'd come out of your two 8 channel pre's into your patchbay then into your 192 analog inputs. These first 16 channels on your patchbay can be fully normaslised so with nothing plugged in, all your pre's are connected to all your 192 analog ins.

If you want to use another Pre plug a line level input into your 192, then you can insert a jack on the bottom row of the patchbay which will disconnecte the associated mic pre for that channel and the line input will go the the 192 input.

for outputs you can take all 16 of your analog outs on your 192 and connect to the Dangerous Audio 2bus summing mixer, then take the main output to your mastering device or patch it back into a pair of 192 inputs to record your 2 track master as a stereo track in PT. The monitor output pair of the Dangerous Audio 2bus summing mixer should go to the C24 main l/r inouts. This will allow you to control your monitor speaker switching.

For patching in your compressor you can patch across the mic pre out-192 input points on the patchbay. If you want to patch your hardware compressor to an insert point within PT it gets a bit more complex as you need to reconfigure your I/O from within PT and remove the associated 192 output from your summing mixer.

Do you use all 16 stems into the summing mixer?
If you used 8 then that would leave you some spare outs for insert points.
I need to understand how you normally work but hopefull this will give you a starting point.

Feel free to get back to me and I'll try to help further...

Cheers

Lizardpoint

[Critical_Child]

Hello

I have been reading these forums for a while but never signed up till now because i am in dire need of help with my system, i usually can find my answer but im stumped.
I Read your postings helping people with similar setups but mine is a little different. I only have One 192 with only 8 analog outputs. i do not have the extra da expansion and cannot afford it right now. i do have an addition Digital I/O card i do not have installed( dont know if this will help)

So i was wondering how i might be able to wire this up so i can have a protools output path to send Audio to outboard and record back into PTHD.
Currently its hooked up now as Follows.

192 analog out (Via Dsub to Dsub) into C24 Pro tools i/o input

One dsub to XLR out of C24 control room to speakers (Main speakers JBL 6 series active monitors( 1and3 to JBLsubwoofer, subwoofer to JBL actives)
(Then out of 7 and 8 im using my "Alt mon" which are Adam A7)

I have a dsub Snake In Analog 192 and i use 1 and 2 as inputs (1 usually mic, 2 usually if stereo mix in.

My problem is since i have no outputs left on the 192 as it stands, i was wondering if there would be a better way to wire this seing as how i cant output with the addition digital card to stereo compressors and EQs. (i.e Neve , Avalon 737, La2a etc.

i thought maybe Dsub analog out from 192 and use 1 and 2 direct out to speakers and just control volume in PT or digicore (wasnt sure how c24 will act if just linked through the ethenet,. if main output nob would still regulate outputs chosen.
Then use output 3/4 or 5/6 as sends to outboard. As i have it now when i use output out of monitor section of c24 the main vol controls the output to the gear.. which i know is totally incorrect. i did not originally wire this so i thought the out sends 5/6 from PT were actually from out of 192 but later found it was the monitor section output of c24...

I know this is a mess. i was hoping you could shed some light on this for me as i have mix sessions to do and need to use external outboard gear pre and post.

Thank you so much for any time you may have to help.

Happy New Year!!!

[tobias123]

Do I use these:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...TT_Bantam.html

- female and male versions for the 7 external pre-amps and compressor and 2 channel eq.

That means in my case 10 Male and 10 female of the Hosa.

So thankful for all help!

/T