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Re: Breathy Vocals
and, from the producer:
“The vocals start at track 42, with Damon’s lead vocal. The main lo-fi telephone-like effect is the typical 2-D sound, because this is a 2-D song. I can’t tell you what it is, but it’s done with hardware. The plug-ins on the inserts are a Waves Renaissance De-esser and RVox, and the Waves Kramer PIE [compressor], which I use a lot on vocals. Below are two tracks of lead vocals with delays. Stephen Sedgwick’s two main plug-in reverbs for ‘Charger’ were the UAD Lexicon 224 and EMT Plate 140.While recording, I often use the SoundToys EchoBoy for delays, but I replace that with hardware delays to get more character. In this case these two tracks are prints of me running Damon’s vocals through a Roland SDE 2000. I was having fun with that, doing fast delays and delays with modulation. Then there are some Damon harmonies, and the yellow tracks are him singing the chorus, and some of these are pitched down an octave with the Little AlterBoy. I usually compress vocals with outboard, either using Empirical Labs Distressors or sometimes the Summit TLA 100A or Tube-Tech CL1B compressor. If want to impose a lot of character I’ll engage an old Collins broadcast limiter. For reverbs on the vocals I often use the studio’s EMT 140 plate. |
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I'm confused - at one time you talked abut a 'radio effect' and another a 'telephone effect'. I don't listen to the Gorillaz so don't know what you're talking about. But keep in mind either of those types of effects are band limited by design. Old telephones were band limited to roughly 300HZ to 3 KHz. Also keep in mind that you're trying to emulate a sound that was captured in a multi-million dollar studio with a top-notch artist and engineer. I just listened to White Light and the vocals is a highly distorted/saturated sound with a lot of the low end rolled off. It's like listening to something with no woofer and all tweeter. Or a broken microphone. Like I said before grab McDSP's Futzbox - it should give you what you want. Of course if you really knew the basics of audio you could do it with whatever plugins you have on hand. |
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I'm just frustrated that I've spent 900 hours in pro tools and at least an additional 500 hours watching tutorials and I still can't grasp the basics of anything. I don't even know how much money I spent on plugins that I thought would help me that others claim are great but I can't seem to make it work like they do. I understand this is due to my lack of experience, but anywhere I try to learn fails to teach me. Everything I've learnt is just from myself or listening to "stems" and trying to emulate them. I don't believe that I need a multi million dollar studio to make a good song. There are plenty of songs that sound professional (at least to my ears) that have been claimed to be made in peoples basements and bedrooms. (Any song from the artist Billie Eilish for example) Like I said previously, regardless of what telephone, radio what-ever effect I add it doesn't sound professional to me. I just don't think I need millions of dollars to get the sound I want. I should just be able to make good music with what I have, yet 900 hours later I am still unable to make vocals sound good - or at least to the point where it SOUNDS like it's going somewhere.. ANYWHERE. Thank you for your time, I understand that this forum isn't for beginners and I'm easily pushed aside and told to learn the basics and not told where to learn. Clearly you guys aren't learning from youtube tutorials or paid tutorials. Where are you all learning? School? I don't know.. I'm just so stuck on just this one song I've been trying to make for 450 hours now.. 450 hours of listening to the same 1 minute and 30 second song over and over. and I still can't get the vocals to sound decent. Which is a shame because I really like the song. I just don't know what to do. |
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Please don't be offended if someone says you need to learn the basics. It's like going to PT 101 course or something. One book I can recommend for anyone is Bob Katz: Mastering Audio. And one advise I can give is move all your non-Avid plugins to unused folder for a while and try go learn the basics with standard plugins. Bear with us... sometimes we're busy and something like "learn the basics" is all one has time to write. But even then, there is this wisdom of "you're looking at the problem from wrong perspective". Cheers!
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If you truly are spending that amount of time on one song no wonder you're having issues getting what you call a 'decent' sound. Take a break, go outside and enjoy nature's sounds. You're suffering from ear fatigue and that happens to all of us sooner or later. Another thing that can contribute to ear fatigue is a poor listening setup with sub-par monitor speakers. |
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Thank you for your book recommendation. I will try to get my hands on that. |
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eq - what it is and what it does (think of the bass & treble controls on your car stereo) compression - what it is and what it does The above are just a couple of basic things you need to learn. As someone has said the DUC is not a forum for how to learn the basics of audio recording or even what certain terms mean. Just pop different terms into Google; like type in 'audio equalization' and see what comes up. Do the same thing for compression, etc. People here will point you to where to look but it's up to you how you make use of those pointers. |
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Why don’t you post a clip of the audio and people might give you some pointers?
I’m truly baffled at how many posts I’ve seen describing audio in words. Post the damn audio! HAHAHA We’re audio engineers. Let us hear and we might be able to offer some suggestions. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Lue - which plugins do you have that might be useful for what you are hoping to achieve with this vocal?
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