NEW -> Pro Tools | Carbon Pre

[Cowboy Bob]

Originally Posted by K Roche

I do not know what the Aux I/O can do or not ,, as I am still on 2022.7

And I am unclear as to what you mean I would think that would give you two entirely different and totally separated systems on the same computer and would not actually expand the Carbon system ? But I do know,,, because the only folks I know who have added additional channels to Carbon, are connecting via ADAT

Yup, I get it. But with the new feature in 22.9 (AUX I/O) you can use any core audio device and access the I/O of that device, in essence incrementing to the main device, in this instance the Carbon, so you use the AUX I/O device's connection (TB, USB, whatever) and not any ADAT or line input on the Carbon.

Unless I am totally missing the boat here. But that's my understanding of how the new AUX I/O feature is supposed to work.

When I get done picking corn and in between other commitments in the studio I'll test it out.

[eightamrock]

Originally Posted by Cowboy Bob

Yup, I get it. But with the new feature in 22.9 (AUX I/O) you can use any core audio device and access the I/O of that device, in essence incrementing to the main device, in this instance the Carbon, so you use the AUX I/O device's connection (TB, USB, whatever) and not any ADAT or line input on the Carbon.

Unless I am totally missing the boat here. But that's my understanding of how the new AUX I/O feature is supposed to work.

When I get done picking corn and in between other commitments in the studio I'll test it out.

Wait I missed something. Does that I can use my Presonus 4848 with my carbon now as aux I/O? It's collecting dust, so that would be a nice surprise.

[Cowboy Bob]

Originally Posted by eightamrock

Wait I missed something. Does that I can use my Presonus 4848 with my carbon now as aux I/O? It's collecting dust, so that would be a nice surprise.

Well if I understand what >>THIS<< is saying, yes. But I need to check it out when I get time. I just don't know for certain.

[LukeHoward]

At the risk of adding to the speculation, my understanding is that the "documentation" here:

https://avid.secure.force.com/pkb/ar...Configurations

is specifically about using the Carbon as a standalone ADAT mic preamp.

If you look at the video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRlQzy3Luv0

You can see the Pro Tools Carbon | Expanded playback engine, and I/O setup showing all I/O from the Carbon and two Carbon Pres being simultaneously available. Presumably this Pro Tools Carbon | Expanded is presented by the (non-Pre) Carbon and allows all Carbon devices to be addressed a single entity, including enabling DSP mode on Carbon Pre channels. Very clever stuff. Just please integrate it with the MTRX world somehow!

[K Roche]

Originally Posted by Cowboy Bob

Well if I understand what >>THIS<< is saying, yes. But I need to check it out when I get time. I just don't know for certain.

Humm well maybe you can do that,,, which would be pretty cool because you could get beyond the Carbon 24 channel limit
But I am not clear on that video is it saying the additional channels will not be Auto Delay compensated ??

[LukeHoward]

Originally Posted by K Roche

Humm well maybe you can do that,,, which would be pretty cool because you could get beyond the Carbon 24 channel limit
But I am not clear on that video is it saying the additional channels will not be Auto Delay compensated ??

Have a look at the video here:

https://youtu.be/eRlQzy3Luv0?t=36

When used over AVB, you get 8 additional channels per Carbon Pre, up to a limit of two Carbon Pres. You need to use the Carbon | Expanded playback engine for this to work.

This is in addition to the 24 channels offered by the Carbon.

If you use the Carbon Pre over ADAT then, well, you will eat up the ADAT I/O of whatever interface you have connected it to (be it a Carbon or otherwise).

[LDS]

The local prices on this thing are just... ridiculous.

1 Year Pro Tools Studio sub = $449.
Avid Carbon including 1 year sub = $6070.
Focusrite Red 8Pre = $5200.
Grace Design M108 = $5867.

Avid Carbon Pre = $5299.


Maybe I have just become unduly cynical, but given the competition for Pro Tools controllable microphone preamps, Avid seems to really be leveraging that AVB functionality to whack on a substantial Avid tax.

[JFreak]

I wish I had -say- stack of 32 remote controlled preamps, retailing 12k USD for 4 units, it is not so ridiculous but not affordable either. Given they are same preamps than in S6L I would not hesitate if I had the money.

[LDS]

Originally Posted by JFreak

I wish I had -say- stack of 32 remote controlled preamps, retailing 12k USD for 4 units, it is not so ridiculous but not affordable either. Given they are same preamps than in S6L I would not hesitate if I had the money.

Nah. Avid has totally knee-capped this thing both through price and chosen connectivity. Half a HDX card worth of DSP, a PT Studio license, 4 headphone amps and monitoring control are apparently only worth $800AUD according to Avid...

And for the higher end MTRX lineup that offers hugely expanded facility integration through Dante, MADI, Digilink, etc... Avid chose ADAT as the method of 'remote' connectivity. Realistically, the Carbon Pre is much closer to a Behringer ADA8000 than any its competitors because of totally inferior choice of connectivity. The competition simply does it better, and by quite a long margin.

[K Roche]

Originally Posted by LDS

Nah. Avid has totally knee-capped this thing both through price and chosen connectivity. Half a HDX card worth of DSP, a PT Studio license, 4 headphone amps and monitoring control are apparently only worth $800AUD according to Avid...

And for the higher end MTRX lineup that offers hugely expanded facility integration through Dante, MADI, Digilink, etc... Avid chose ADAT as the method of 'remote' connectivity. Realistically, the Carbon Pre is much closer to a Behringer ADA8000 than any its competitors because of totally inferior choice of connectivity. The competition simply does it better, and by quite a long margin.

Nah. the 8 mic pre's and the converters alone on the Carbon and Carbon Pre are worth well into 3k or more Given the only "objectively" comparable product is UAD which is $3500 -$3800 . Myself I don't see a problem with the HP amps monitor control and 8 DSP being $1k more USD.

You do realize the whole concept of Carbon is to offer DSP for 1/2 the cost of HDX, to those who do not need a full blown HDX ,,, so why would anyone expect it to as expandable or capable ???

Pretty far stretch of cynical imagination to think the Carbon is like the Behringer which is not even in the same ball park let alone remotely comparable.