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Old 09-09-2002, 11:04 AM
Vinylizor Vinylizor is offline
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Default TC News Posted

Just seen this report - Master X 3 & TC Tools now out for HD, but the 5 band version, Works bundle and VoiceTools are to be discontinued.

http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/...ols-PT-HD.html
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Old 09-09-2002, 02:48 PM
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Well, here's another mfgr that wants an upgrade fee... I understand the need to recoup some money for effort put into the conversion, but it sure does give me more loyality to guys like Sony, McDSP and Digi that gave us HD versions without charging an upgrade price

I think I'll pass on TC tools at $149 for an upgrade...
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Old 09-09-2002, 10:37 PM
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This is all in good spirit [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] but ....If you "understand the need to recoup some money for effort put into the conversion" then why are you bitching about it?
In the big picture of "my" $45K HD rig, which I had to pay to upgrade to as well [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] ...$150 bucks for some great quality TC plugin's isn't that much.
Another line of thought might be that Sony, Digi & McDSP didn't have as many of their plugin's "obtained" through less than legal means as TC, BombFactory or others did.
Maybe TC is "still" trying to recoup from their first round of pre HD R&D work.....good software desiginers don't work cheap.
Maybe the reason plugin's in general seem to cost so much is that each manufacturer knows they have to make their money back right out of the gate. By that I mean, they know they are only going to sell XX amount of copies before said plugin gets "modified" and sales fall into the dirt.
I don't know about anyone else but most of the time I actually like to profit from my hard work.... not just break even or perhaps lose money.
I'm not sure of your situation but....
I think it's kinda nuts to "expect" a free update to the latest version of a peice of software that many of us bought as far back as three years ago... no matter how much you think you deserve it.
In three years hopefully I will be an even better engineer than I am now .... but that doesn't mean in three years time I'm going to, free of charge, remix the album I worked on last month [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 09-10-2002, 10:05 AM
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I'm glad to see TC jumping on HD. If Lexicon followed suit I would consider upgrading my Mix rig.
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Old 09-10-2002, 02:01 PM
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And my other point, is that at $149, my position it to pass....
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You mean to tell us that after you spent $1k list for Master X, you're going to choose to not be able to use your software any longer because you don't want to pay the $150 upgrade fee.

Doesn't seem like a good business strategy.
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Old 09-10-2002, 04:20 PM
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Well, in fairness his main point was that with all the plug-ins fees being asked, you could easily be looking at a couple of grand just to upgrade the things. it's a very significant hidden cost.

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Old 09-11-2002, 12:02 AM
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Bill - You really read more into my comments than intended... I wasn't bitching, it was more to say that seeing another mfgr charge for an upgrade, has given me an increased appreciation for guys (like McDSP and Sony) that gave us free upgrades.

And my other point, is that at $149, my position it to pass....

I don't have problem with them, just not an interest to pay for this package.. case of buyer selection, that's all....
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Old 09-11-2002, 12:11 AM
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when is it being distributing....I didn't see anything that eluded to NOW...
I thought I saw something saying end of Sept, beginning of October??!
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Old 09-11-2002, 07:50 AM
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Well, in fairness his main point was that with all the plug-ins fees being asked, you could easily be looking at a couple of grand just to upgrade the things. it's a very significant hidden cost.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes, that was part of what I was getting at... I hadn't expected upgrades to cost as much as some mfgrs are asking... The info available to me at the time I was deciding on upgrade budgets was that Digidesign and McDSP and Ampfarm and Sony were first out and they were free... Waves upgrade pricing wasn't clear to me at the time... And Bombfactory still hasn't yet set pricing. TC Tools just annouced pricing.... So, I didn't figure it out till after I upgraded.

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You mean to tell us that after you spent $1k list for Master X, you're going to choose to not be able to use your software any longer because you don't want to pay the $150 upgrade fee.

Doesn't seem like a good business strategy.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'm not a Master X user, I bought TC Tools 3 years ago and other than their nice TC Chorus, I seldom use their other plugins that came in the set... So for me, at $149 I think I'll pass on upgrading TC tools, since I don't use them enough to justify the cost and I believe there are other plugins that are more important to me......
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