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Originally Posted by junkgear
There is always Mac.
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The MAC situation is far worse, sorry to say.
You dropped 10.10 support for mac, which is a 3yo OS exactly. Win 7 is 9 years old.
You guys are doing the steinberg thing by forcing cutting edge OS on the users.
Guess what, 10.10 worked better on both my macs than 10.11 or 10.12 ever did.
Not only that, i am still waiting for updates for stuff I can't use on Sierra. Everything just "worked" on 10.10.
I came very very close to leaving PT because of this. If i didn't like it so much, I would have. I tried Mixbus, S1 V3 and DP9.5, which all work even prior to 10.10.. I even got Motu telling me via email that it was unlikely that even V10 of DP would drop yosemite support.
DP was the one i got very close to moving to. The lack of tempo file browser (or any browser at all) and no clip mode in the main midi edit page was what put me off it, as I don't think I could have gotten used to it. S1 works but is just so ugly and besides seeming to be so called feature laden, is actually anaemic in my mind vs pro tools. i.e it has a whole lot of GUI madness for not that much DAW. The only thing it has over PT is the ARA support, that's it. But if the recent avid poll is anything to go by, i have a feeling we are going to get elastic pitch integrated in PT. I realise you can't do ARA for melodyne as that requires VST3 compatibility.. once i found that out, it suddenly dawned on me why we hadn't seen such a "simple solution" in PT.
Oh, and besides the saturation on busses, mixbus was the worst DAW i have ever used. Ever.
Any way, this OS thing is annoying, believe me.
You see, we DO want to stay up to date with PT, and therefore, we ARE forced to upgrade OS. Heck, i upgraded my OS just for those minor midi additions in 10.8.2, as they make working without a mouse easier to select stuff.
I for one, well, for two now, and with all due respect, kindly ask Avid to reconsider this. Before, many years ago, Avid were NOT on the bleeding edge with regards to OS. They took their time and supported legacy OS, in fact it was the new OS support users had to wait for. I for one, wish that golden era was still around, as I *hate* being cutting edge with my OS.
In fact, if UAD and PT supported it, i'd happily be on Snow leopard today. For a DAW, NOTHING since snow leopard has done anything for me.. I don't use a single feature of the new OS.. all i see instead, is more and more bloat every OS release, and lower performance. Nothing shut down and booted as fast as snow leopard, and there was no lag with any DAW.. it was lightning fast.
Best thing apple have ever done, and then 10.10 was where i was comfy again.. but i've lost that too now. Sierra is darn awful, not as bad as el crapitan, but awful none the less.
I even considered moving to windows, I hate apple's OS policy THAT much, as i know i can build a lightning fast machine at a cheap cost, that will be a whisper quiet tower and i can put a giant 30" samsung *MATTE* screen on it with 2560X1600 res, rather than all the glossy glare of apple stuff. I'd go straight to Win 10 if I did that, so personally re PT updates, i'd be good (but i a, very sorry for the other windows users, as i know Win 7 well, and like snow leopard, it just works)..
But, no, i won't do that either. I will put up with apple and avid forcing me to use sierra (el crapitan is not even in the running). Why? Because i have over 20 custom key commands i have created that makes my pro tools life SO much easier as i don't have to go into the menu. For example, activating or deactivating page scrolling. I actuallly couldn't handle going into the menu every time i wanted to do that, and that is enough to deter me from windows. Right now i have command/alt/ctrl/space.. to activate page by page, then command/alt/ctrl/N to go back to "none". Delete track is command/alt/ctrl/D. How easy is that. No more right click delete.
(on a sidenote and a total tangent, PT is the only daw that actually exists, that doesn't have a built in key command for turning scrolling on or off, and is again, the only daw in existence that requires the transport to be stopped to do so. This is really archaic and I hope avid fix it).
If there's a way to do custom key commands on windows, that does NOT impact performance (with apple it's all part of the OS and takes a few seconds to do), then i'll look at Win 10. I believe at least in that case, once i come to grips with it, that avid would keep win 10 compatibility for around 5 years.. that's my guess.. at least.. which would mean i could enjoy 5 years of pro tools upgrades without worrying about my OS.
Oh, does Win 8 work? or is it JUST win 10 from now on?